Cities in the Time of COVID-19: How do we respond to anti-Black racism in urbanist practices and conversations?

Moderated by Jay Pitter, award-winning placemaker and CUI Senior Fellow of Equity-Based Placemaking. Featuring Orlando Bailey, Director of Engagement, BridgeDetroit & Detroit Host, Urban Consulate; Tamika Butler, Director of Planning for California & Director of Equity and Inclusion, Toole Design; Anthonia Ogundele, Founder, Ethós Lab; and Will Prosper, Co-founder, Montréal-Nord Républik & Hoodstock.

5 Key
Takeaways

A roundup of the most compelling ideas, themes and quotes from this candid conversation

1. Public spaces are not neutral

Alienation in the public realm is a lived experience for Black communities around the world, and Black bodies are often seen as a threat in public space. By sharing their firsthand experiences of anti-Black racism, each of our panelists proved that there is no single, homogenous Black experience. From Anthonia Ogundele’s childhood memories of being alienated from the playground to Orlando Bailey’s being forbidden to enter Saks with his mother, public spaces are sites of everyday racism and oppression.

2. Black communities are experiencing multiple crises at once in very different ways

While the COVID-19 pandemic continues to threaten Black communities, Tamika Butler explained how institutional racism represents another crisis altogether. In fact, these two intertwined crises are embedded in physical spaces themselves. For example, incarcerated populations, in which Black communities are overrepresented, are at greater risk during this time given the near impossibility of social distancing in confined spaces. As Will Prosper described, the COVID pandemic has revealed how many urban spaces have been “designed to fail us.”

3. We need to make space for Black grief

The emotional burden of intergenerational trauma and alienation is immense: this cannot be borne by Black communities alone, nor is it their responsibility to educate others about history or how to be anti-racist. We are all complicit in the systems and practices and must collectively bear the emotional weight and necessity to act. Everyone in the urbanist community must rethink their roles in this system and actively empower marginalized voices. Indeed, Anthonia highlighted the need to empower Black youth in order to redesign and reimagine digital and urban spaces.

4. Academia and urban planning professions have a critical role to play

Moving forward, Orlando Bailey pointed out that we must “further interrogate where we learn to be urbanists and city planners.” Academic institutions and professors need to reflect on amplifying Black experience and scholarship in the curriculum and beyond. This exclusion of Black voices does not, however, end in the classroom: it is present in the workplace as well. Black urbanists are expected to put their lived experiences aside to “fit in” at their workspaces, thereby removing the personal knowledge necessary to help urban communities flourish.

5. There are many tangible ways to take necessary action

Uncomfortable conversations mark only the beginning of a long-term effort to eradicate anti-Black racism. Nonblack urban planners must listen to and amplify Black voices: Jay Pitter’s A Call to Courage: An Open Letter to Canadian Urbanists is required reading for urbanists from coast to coast. Jay explained, it is critical to understand that “equity does not mean sacrificing excellence.” She also emphasized the importance of strengthening respectful relationships with Black urbanists to reimagine inclusive urban spaces, share valuable expertise and gain personal knowledge of how to build successful cities.

Full Panel
Transcript

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Mary Rowe [00:00:29] Hello everyone, it’s Mary Rowe. Welcome to City Talk here on a Wednesday midday in Toronto, which is the traditional territory of the Mississaugas of the Credit, the Annishnabec, the Chippewa and the Haudenasaunee, as well as the Wendat peoples. It’s now home to many diverse First Nations, Inuit and Metis people from across Turtle Island. Toronto is also covered by Treaty 13, which was signed with Mississaugas of the Credit and the Williams treaties that were signed with multiple Annishnabec nations and we – Annishnabec nations – and we always hold these conversations in recognition of that, of the historical legacies of exclusion that Canada lives with. And COVID has exacerbated and made all too clear, which is why this session is so important and such a crucial conversation to be having. We’re very appreciative of our colleague Jay Pitter, who is the senior fellow at CUI here, in equity based placemaking. She has pulled together this group to have this conversation and we are appreciative to her for all her labours over the last several weeks on these topics and trying to bring enlightenment to all who would need to be thinking about this. There are, as I suggested, this is a very popular session and we have an active chatbox, which many of you are already using. Thanks, folks. And we would ask you when you list a comment or question in the chatbox, please use the switch at the bottom to all panelists and attendees so everyone can see it. We capture this session by video of the conversation and we also publish the chat. So please use that to your as best you can to share resources and questions. And I will now pass to Jay Pitter who again, we want to thank for undertaking this session, and we look forward very much to hearing the conversation. Thanks, Jay. 

Jay Pitter [00:02:10] Thank you, Mary. I would like to begin with a moment of silence for Black lives lost to COVID-19 and also lost on our city streets.  

Jay Pitter [00:02:44] Anti-Black racism is lodged deep within the foundation of North American cities. We have a history of slavery that thrust Black people into social and economic margins. Later, segregation laws, redlining, Jim Crow prevented Black people from freely accessing skating rinks, swimming pools and entertainment spaces. This further cemented divides. Black people were denied equal access to colonial land grants restricted by race and municipal covenants prohibited Black people from living in many neighbourhoods. This history continues to follow us today. And as I was preparing for this conversation, I contemplated the ways that I could bring both clarity and compassion to the discussion. And so, I hope to be able to fulfill this role today. I’d like to begin by expressing deep admiration and care for the panelists who’ve joined us today. Anthonia Ogundele is a resilience expert and urban planner residing in Vancouver. Will Prosper is a documentary filmmaker, grassroots place maker and civil rights activist residing in Montréal Nord. Tamika Butler is a lawyer and mobility expert residing in L.A. Orlando Bailey is a community development professional and place-based storyteller residing in Detroit. I am especially proud of this panel because we represent a broad spectrum of Blackness – not fully – but we come here as people who identify as Canadian, American, Caribbean, and African. We are straight and queer. We are multilingual. And we are united in a shared vision to ensure that cities are places where everyone thrives. And this absolutely includes Black people. So, I’ll begin with Anthonia. When is the first time you experienced alienation or threat within the public realm?  

Anthonia Ogundele [00:06:03] A hard question to answer, because there were so many different memories that went through my mind. The playground: the playground in the middle of my complex, I grew up just outside of Toronto in Mississauga, a place where, you know, you want to go play on the slides, run around, me and my siblings. And often times it was either met with sticks or with names. Oftentimes my interaction with non with nonblack youth, they let me know that my skin looked like poo or that if I went down a slide, they wouldn’t go down it as well. It’s interesting, the role of the playground plays in cities in terms of bringing joy to young people. And I’ll say that that was my earliest experiences, understanding that some of the things I touched, some of the spaces I went to or just being present at times was not welcome for young people, for some young people.  

Jay Pitter [00:07:18] Thank you. Orlando.  

Orlando Bailey [00:07:23] Yeah, I would say for me, like Anthonia, I had a flurry of memories come back to me, I think the earliest memory I have is being a young person in the mall with my aunt, with my auntie. And we were in a mall in Dearborn, Michigan. Dearborn is a suburb of Detroit. You guys have to excuse the noise. We have some activists bringing water here. So, we’ve got to continue to make sure folks have water. So, excuse the little bit of background noise. And we were in Dearborn, Michigan, a suburb west of the city of Detroit that has a history of racial tension, particularly against Black folks in the city of Detroit, really after Coleman Young became mayor. And we were in the Saks and my aunt was told that she could not shop in Saks at Fairlane Mall with children. The children, it was me and I think a cousin of mine, had to wait outside while my aunt shopped. And I remember at that time feeling a lot of things, one of them being anger, another one being resentment, but also confusion because we saw white families go in to Saks with children and their children never came back out to wait. It was a heavy moment for me and even being so young, I refused to go back to Fairlane. It’s been over 20-something years, I have not returned to Fairlane since. So and the Saks isn’t even there anymore and Dearborn and Fairlane is an entirely different place and landscape. But that memory is so embedded and so traumatic for me that I don’t want to revisit it by going back to that space.  

Jay Pitter [00:09:15] Let’s call them by name. Let’s call these spaces by name. Tamika Butler.  

Tamika Butler [00:09:23] First, I just want to say, Jay, thanks for pulling together this group. I’m just humbled to be in the presence of these other folks and glad we have this space. You know, you previewed the questions for me yesterday, and I called my parents and I said, “do you guys remember a time when I was a kid and something came up?” And what’s so interesting is that we talked for over an hour and at the beginning it was like, yeah, I can’t really think of anything. And then as soon as I said, “really? Like not at a park, not, you know, when we were out riding bikes together as a family?” And slowly it was like, ooh, what about this time, what about this time? And it was just this feeling of I think that a lot of Black folks are going through in this moment right now where to survive, there is so much that we have stuffed down to just keep going to just make it through. And when you really think about it, you’re like, “that’s why I don’t like that place. That’s why I don’t like that thing.” And for me, we grew up from second grade until right before I started high school in Okinawa, Japan. My dad was in the military and my recollection is that I was followed around stores when we left the confines of the base. Folks would constantly look at us and I always felt like it was because we were American, because Americans, you know, militarizing the island and occupying the island was a big deal. And so, I think it was happening already as a kid, any time we left our space. But I think in particular, it was really once I moved back to the States and once I moved back to the States, I started high school and my dad said, you came home from school the first day and you were like, the Black kids sit over there, no one talks to them. When we’re out, like people don’t interact with them. And it just struck me that school no longer felt like a place where I could go learn. It felt like a place where folks wanted me to know who I was and wanted me to know my place.   

Jay Pitter [00:11:38] Will. 

Will Prosper [00:11:40] J’aimerais saluer tout le monde. Bonjour à tout le monde, c’est vraiment un honneur pour moi d’être ici avec vous. So, it’s really an honour for me to be there, with all of you where I have tremendous respect. And it’s a really difficult question because for me, I grew up in a mixed family. So, my mom, she’s white Canadian, and my dad is of Asian descent. And the first time that you see that realization, it’s all the stories that you have within your family already being a Black kid in the eyes of the white side of the family and being pinned against them. So, it’s really having a division within the family since the get-go, since the birth. So, but one moment that I really remember that is really vivid for me is that I have two other brothers, and every time my parents kept on telling me that, you know, “make sure that you don’t fight with each other!” So, for me, that was a resounding. And also, when I went to school, elementary school, I wasn’t trying to get into some fights, but there were some kids that came back, afterwards after school. And there was one in particular that came and followed me all the way to my place and said, “Hey! N-word this, n-word this,” you know, “are you scared? Come and fight me. N-word this, n-word this.” And then I came to the balcony and I saw my mother was there. And I ask her, “well, what does that mean?” because I had no clue what that word meant. And I can see in her eyes that she’s like, “OK, I’m going to have to have these conversations with all my sons because this is the world that they’re going to live in.” And I saw that in her eyes, very, very. I remember like it was yesterday. And then she she look at me and she said, “Are you scared of him?” And I said, “no.” Then she said, “stand up for yourself, and go fight him!” And, you know, that’s the message that she sent me and ever since, you know, I’ve been standing up and, you know, racism and something that, you know, we’re still living in our days and it’s something that we’re still fighting. And it’s really a lot of weight on our shoulder and all the things that we have to go through are realities. It’s unimaginable that we have to bear that weight with all the other stuff that we have to do at the same time.  

Jay Pitter [00:13:53] This idea of stuffing things down, this idea, a very early learning to fight and being alienated in the public realm, I think is something that definitely leads throughout many of our experiences. I’ll just share my quick experience with this because as I talk to you all, I recently I also started reflecting quite a bit and I remember being out with my mother, it was in a mall like you were at the mall, Orlando. And I remember being a little kid and hearing music and I started to just kind of bop around as little kids do. And I remember my mother grabbing me and saying, “never do that again. Nobody is paying you to sing for them or dance for them in public. And if you want to grow up to be someone who is respected and someone who can navigate systems and spaces, you cannot sing and dance in public.” And I was maybe seven, you know, so when you talk about the immense weight and the pressure and the responsibility and also how early we’ve all learned to perform in public. Incredible, incredible labour. And speaking of labour, I’ll move to the next question, which is this. You know, as human beings who are both Black and also urbanist basically doing work at the site where all of this protest and rage and death is happening, we’re all facing a real dual crises. We are facing a crisis that is personal, just watching our communities die. And we’re also facing a crisis of having to show up lucid, articulate, compassionate and focused because we’re also professionals. How are all of you managing that at this time? How is that manifested in your lives? Orlando.  

Orlando Bailey [00:16:07] Well, you know, I would, heh. It it’s layered, right? I would say as someone who a lot of folks look to to put words to our experience, there is an immense amount of pressure to figure out how to add words to what we are collectively experiencing, but also being able, trying to be able to step outside of that and think about how to frame it. As a journalist here in the city of Detroit, people look to us for for those words. And so, I think that for me, and I don’t necessarily know if it was the most productive thing, I just had to step away and say, I don’t have the words, especially when the loss in the city of Detroit has and is so tremendous from the COVID-19 pandemic. Detroit was a hotspot and I lost very close friends to me. So, in addition to having this experience, experiencing a high level of grief compounded with that, there were no were no words other than grief. I think having to continue to show up, I think Jay said it yesterday, to be Black and employed, that’s a duality right there. You know what I mean, having to continue to show up as professional as possible, but I’m grateful that I work in the space where we’re able to just name that. This is how I’m feeling. I need space. I need a day. And that sort of be respected. We’ve had almost 2000 deaths from COVID-19 here in the city of Detroit. That’s no small feat. And the level of trauma and the level of grief that we are collectively experiencing as a city is not to be undermined. But we sort of took, or I sort of took my time in trying to put words to it. And even because I think there is also a level of comfort that comes when, you know, folks that you look at as leaders or for folks that you look at who are really able to articulate our experience in a way that permeates. But we needed to not be comforted in that moment. We needed to feel that discomfort. We needed to feel the microcosm of COVID-19 disproportionately affecting Black lives in the city that is the biggest majority Black city in America. Of course, that was going to be compounded and exacerbated and we needed to sit with that. And I had no words or cognitive ability to articulate our experience at that time. And so I stepped away.  

Jay Pitter [00:18:45] And deservingly so. And Orlando, you also contracted and healed from COVID-19 during this period. And you also continued advocacy for prisoners based on a very personal experience as well. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?  

Orlando Bailey [00:19:09] Yeah, I had the virus and I was out for the latter part of March and most of April, compounded with fluid in my lungs so I had pneumonia as well. So that experience, I’ve never, it was it was a forced confrontation with my own mortality. I’ve never felt it in the way that I did when I was battling those symptoms. And even to contrast to that, I have two brothers that are in the Michigan Department of Corrections within the penal system in the state of Michigan. And we interviewed on my podcast, Authentically Detroit, the Chief Medical Officer of the Michigan Department of Corrections, and she assured us that the conditions in the prison were safe and that if an outbreak were to occur within Michigan prisons, that they were actually able to handle it. And what we found out, of course, weeks later, was that that was not the case, right. That was an outright lie and fabrication on the show that we have on record. And my brother was calling me because he lives in a cube in his prison with eight other inmates. Eight other inmates. It is impossible to social distance within the Michigan Department of Corrections. And they had not been tested. So, what that does for prison morale, inmate morale, it becomes very dangerous. It becomes very dangerous. People are afraid for their lives. And what he said to me struck me. He said, “I was not sentenced to death.” And so, it lit a fire in me to utilize my platform to leverage the attention of state lawmakers, journalists, local media outlets, as well as the office of governor to say, hey, we need, number one, increased transparency. We need to make sure that all inmates are tested. And we need to figure out how our prison systems can follow CDC guidelines, but also bring in a layer of outside accountability because that system is very private and very insular, and we want to open it up.  

Jay Pitter [00:21:27] Thank you for sharing. Orlando, I remember talking to you during that period and one of the things I just want to share from what we talked about quite privately is that, you know, something that many of our urbanist colleagues don’t realize is that, you know, we show up. We know how to make sentences. We can throw a blazer on. But we are all, all of us, one degree separated from lack of vulnerability that our our white and nonblack colleagues cannot even conceptualize, you know? And there’s a tendency to lift up, you know, sort of people who rise out of the margins. But please know that despite how we show up, we have an entire story and people who are still suffering and struggling in those margins. And so that becomes our story as well. Will, Orlando was talking about the prison system. And I know that, you know, you and I are friends, so I know that you started off as a R.M.C.T. Officer. And now, you know, to activism against police brutality and also hyper-local work. So, I would love to hear from you next about the incredible work that you’re doing and how you’re holding both of these things.  

Will Prosper [00:22:57] It’s a really difficult subject to tackle because you do you have to understand that, you know, I have two brothers that were also impacted by that, contracted the virus, both of my parents that also contracted the virus and also had, you know, my brother’s spouse lost, she has lost two uncles during that time. And the main character of my last movie was also facing cancer. He did not have the virus, he just passed away a couple of days and he was a mentor of me. And it wasn’t possible for me to visit him at the hospital. And for many friends and folks, that’s a reality that we are living in that in that time. And now his funeral’s going to be held this weekend, it’s only a limited number of people that might be able to attend his funeral. So, everything is changing, and this is the weight that we have to carry also. While, you know, in Montréal and Québec, especially in Canada, we are the province that is the most touched by the virus. And I think it was, percentage wise, one of the top five cities that was hit the hardest. And of course, in Montreal north, the neighbourhood that I’m from and where I do most of my work, it has a high number of racialised community, high density of population, and we were the one that were faced a hit from the virus as well. So, you have all of this going on while you have to deal with the situation, and the reality was also at that time is that there was not too many organisations that were ready to do work on these frontlines because people were just simply scared of catching the virus. So, we were one of the few organisations that were out there distributing sanitary kits, masks and some sanitizer over there in the streets with all these risk. And it’s really interesting to see the situation where it comes from also, because, you know, you have to go back all the way to the decision of Donald Trump removing the grant of Haitian people, people of Haitian descent, to stay in the United States from the earthquake in 2010. And while he did that, lots of them flew to Canada and we ended up receiving the vast majority of them in a difficult situation. And these people were packing the Olympic Stadium at that time, Black bodies right in the stadium like it was a camp in a Canadian city, which is completely unimaginable. And lots of people were saying, “well, send them back home, send them back to Haïti” and stuff like that. And if you take a look at what’s going on nowadays, the Prime Minister of Québec said, we have “anges guardiens” which is, how do you call it, anges guardiens, it’s people taking care of each other in the health field and stuff like that. So, he was giving them really nice names and stuff like that. And what we find out is that lots of people that came from the United States, from these people that were asking their citizenship in Canada, they were doing the work in these hospitals. So right now, they were seen as people that were necessary for the community, but still they were still refusing their citizenship till this day over here in Québec, although there were the people helping people that nobody wanted to take care of. And that’s how elderly people that, you know, sometime over and over take care of them, we put them in hospital to give them needs and health care. So it’s really amazing to see a situation as it evolves when you deal with Black bodies and you see them as a threat, as people that will be posing a threat to your situation and your culture and stuff like that, when in reality there will be the one taking care of you, you know, and there’s other things that we do, of course, know that’s not just that. But that being said, you know, over here in Montréal north, we faced that difficult situation to that time. And the reality was that we saw a lack of leadership in the city, in the province, and we had, as Black people, to intervene and do the job of a government with the limited people that we had with volunteers and stuff like that. And and it’s just unimaginable that you could have seen a situation like that being carried by an organisation like the one we have with Hoodstock that is trying to do grassroots initiatives.  

Jay Pitter [00:27:10] Thank you so much for your work and for sharing, Will, and, you know, a lesson that you taught me as well as our good friend Emily Nicholas, is that, you know, there’s often two conversations happening within Black communities. The loudest conversation is happening in English, but there’s also one that is happening in French in the Canadian context, then maybe Spanish as well in the American context. And it is so important for us in 2020 to erase plantation lines, to be united, to speak to each other, to listen to each other, and to build with each other. So, thank you for that earlier lesson. I’ve really taken it with me, and I value you and your friendship, and you’ve worked so much. Tamika.  

Tamika Butler [00:28:02] Yeah, I you know, I’m just struck by what Orlando’s brother said, like, “I wasn’t sentenced to death” and that that just really resonated with me because in this moment we are attacking two deadly viruses: racism and COVID-19. But frankly, before this moment, there are many times where I have thought because I’m Black, I’ve been sentenced to death. I’ve been sentenced to death prematurely, right? And I’ve been sentenced to death based on things that people in power who are white are going to want me to believe are the choices that I’ve made when in reality, they have done everything to make sure that the options of Black folks are limited because they don’t want to see the power or admit what they contribute to structures of white supremacy that they keep in place. And so, during this moment, you know, how are we handling these dual things as Black folks? I was talking to one of my friends and I was like, yo, being black is amazing. There is so much joy. There is so much beauty. There is so much ageing gracefully. There is there’s just there’s just so much that makes me say I would never not be Black and in particular a Black woman. As someone who is genderqueer and more masculine- leading, I still use she/her pronouns because being a Black woman is everything. Because Black women will always carry us. Black women will always save the day. My my mom, my grandmother and my older sister, they they made me who I am. And as much as I know that being Black, being a Black woman is all of those wonderful things, it’s also a complete mindfuck. It is so crazy that folks don’t realize that everything, everything has to be thought out because if you make one wrong move, you will be dead. You will be sentenced to death. Because as long as the colour of our skin scares people, it is a weapon in their eyes that justifies whatever they might do to us, whether or not that’s ignoring us when we’re pregnant and saying we need help. Whether or not that’s ignoring us when we say we’re sick and we need people to take it seriously, or whether or not that’s ignoring us if we are in the street bleeding. But people assume it’s because something we did. That is something we carry with us whether or not we are in this moment. And I, you know, there was someone who said to me when I was saying, I just I just can’t make it through, like, I can’t focus on this work. I can’t focus on this deliverable that you have because we’re in a moment of opportunity where we have to get something done in the urban planning space. I said, “just not not this week. I can’t do it.” And someone said to me, “I get it. I live in a Black neighbourhood. I have Black friends. But you got to just stay focussed like I am and just focus on the work and use that to get through and realize how important it is.” And that person and I, this is not said, this is not said to shame that person because we had a conversation beyond that where that was corrected, but in my head, what I constantly think is this, like, putting it off in a box and putting it aside and separating professional from personal best, some white people shit. It just is because everything I do is personal. Everything I do is deeply tied to my Blackness because of the Black woman who raised me to be proud that I am Black, but also because of the white people who refuse to see anything other than that. Who refuse to think I am an expert at anything other than Blackness, no matter how many degrees I have, no matter how much experience I have. And so, for me, that’s that’s what we’re carrying in this moment. And then the only other thing I would add is, like, the heaviness, the expectations, the weight, right? Like, I was talking to my wife and she’s like, I feel like every Black person feels how you’re feeling. It’s not just you when I try to buy a book from a Black-owned bookstore, every one I go to is like, “we have a four-month backlog,” like, “we’re overwhelmed. We have to shut down. We hope you keep buying from us even after this moment.” But when people now are like, “ooh, Black person? I’ll listen to you now!” And they’re just asking and taking and taking and and in my deep, dark place, I am worried that I am not enough. I am worried that I am not speaking enough, that I am not doing enough, that I am not in the streets enough, that I am not helping enough, and that if I don’t say yes to everything, then they won’t listen to me beyond this moment. And that pressure and that weight of just being enough, people should be coming to us and throwing book deals at us. Social media sites should just be given Black people the blue checkmark so that other people value us as experts and take what we have as something that is sacred and something that takes time and effort and energy and that mental struggle, that mindfuck is something that is so present in this moment but was here before it, and will be here after it, because being Black, despite all the joy for many people, that is all they can see.  

Jay Pitter [00:33:30] You know, Tamika thank you so much and if I can just say quickly that we are descendants of people who were forced to labour for centuries. If anybody deserves a nap, it is us.  

Orlando Bailey [00:33:53] Say that, OK?  

Jay Pitter [00:33:56] Alright? It is us. We’ve earned a nap. We’ve earned saying not today. We’ve earned saying, “please Google that yourself.” We absolutely have earned that. Anthonia.  

Anthonia Ogundele [00:34:15] Tamika, I just totally resonate with everything you just said. You know, Jay, you had the opportunity to come to our launch around the Ethos Lab, which happened a couple of weeks before an initiative that was initiated out of the urgency to centre the humanity of the Black experience and the creation of space. And it’s so interesting that at that time, you know, as your launching it and saying, you know, “we are creating a space for youth and we are decentring the dominant narrative, we’re decentring whiteness,” that I had parents coming up to me saying, “will my child be comfortable in this place? Is it safe to bring them to this place?” Because we are looking at how to reimagine space, looking at our history of creating amazing spaces, and this was physical space. COVID, COVID hit us, hit us hard, hit the team hard. Hit the families that we were engaging really, really hard. But I think where this conversation around urbanism and like these are the opportunities to get some initiatives in, I felt a deep urgency in seeing how we’re trying to integrate and and meet young people where they’re at, where tech and space intersect. There’s a deep urgency more than ever for a Black, the Black community to really get into that space. And that poses a challenge for me as a leader and being able to do that and having conversations with my team. But at the same time, we all see it, and we know not just how families, our community have been impacted by the loss of jobs, but the exponential wealth that has been gained by members within the tech community, the exponential power that’s been gained by members within the urbanist community in being able to drive through different initiatives and then working with a number of Black youth in this initiative to be able to reimagine not only digital spaces but physical spaces, seeing the gap in access to technology in order to even be able to engage in that type of imagination and conversation. We have been continuing this work in partnership with some urbanist organisations and yesterday we started thinking about reimagining what space could be like. I’m just going to share some of the, some of the impacts that I’ve been hearing and seeing from young people: everyone was so gracious, so excited, I’m so glad we’re talking about this, I’m so glad we’re part of Ethos. And we did a gratitude checkout. It’s predominantly Black youth that are engaged in this and we have nonblack youth that have also felt we can, you know, operate in the parameters of decentring whiteness. And they all said that they were really grateful for participating in the Ethos Lab. And we had a Black male, 16, and as everyone said, that they were grateful for participating when it came time to him. He said, I’m grateful for being alive. And that just pauses it right there. Black youth are feeling it. In talking to Black families that have been a part of the work that we’re trying to do in exposing young people to STEM, space, urbanism, they talk about the times that their teenaged son, who’s 13, walking his two younger siblings to school and being stopped by undercover police officers. There’s an urgency in this work in meeting young people where where these two spaces are at. And, and so for for me, I feel the same as Tamika. It’s like you you feel this weight of, like, you could see the exponential growth around inequality, wealth wealth disparity, access to opportunities, just growing and there’s an intense pressure as a member of the community to continue to continue with the work and the struggle and the fight, in joy and in like everything that we know that we can do. But at the same time, when something like this happens, we just, it just stops. It just stops for and as a Black-led organisation, we’re not just moving, we’re not moving forward. There’s a struggle there acknowledging the deep empathy that we feel because we’re members of the community, but also, like, holding, holding the weight of what these young people are also experiencing. Black youth.  

Jay Pitter [00:39:03] And Anthonia, as you talk about tech, I think another thing that we, I’m just going to quickly throw in here, is that we also need to think about the kinds of trauma that is being caused through tech. So, we now use tech to prove that Black people are indeed being murdered and threatened on the streets, right. So that is a methodology by which we are now seeking justice. But, at the same time, we’re now inundated with Black lives being, like… incredibly diminished, you know, with these images floating around, so there’s even an intersection as well between public space, tech, and sparking intergenerational Black trauma. So, I just wanted to add that to what you said, Anthonia, all of your brilliant points and all of the amazing work that you’re doing. I really intentionally took a lot of time to to to unpack how you are all doing as human beings. That is, because a part of this conversation is to assert that we are not simply a resource. We are not simply here to be taken from and extracted from and to learn from. We are actually people sitting in our own humanities having a process in real time. And when I think about space and joyful space and healing space and spaces of freedom, that begins by just even giving Black people enough space to say how we are feeling. OK. So now that we’ve humanised ourselves in this conversation because we are indeed fully human. Such a strange thing to have to say in 2020, but it needs to be said. So now that we’ve done that, I want to move forward to talk about, clearly, we’ve been failed systemically, you know, throughout society and throughout history. But we’ve also been failed by our colleagues. This is a reality as well. Here’s where it gets uncomfortable, my white and other nonblack friends. We are indeed going to talk about how we have been failed. So we show up. We invest. We work on the clock. We work off the clock. We do invisible work. We do it with unnamed trauma, unnamed pain. There is really no space for Black grief within the public view. And so all you see is, like Black rage or Black hyper humour. But we rarely see sort of the spectrum of Black emotion. But please know that we are carrying deep Black grief and we’ve been failed by the very colleagues whom we support, stand beside and work alongside. So let’s go to the next question, which is – and we’ll do this question just a little bit faster – so this question is: in this moment, as you reflect what is the one way that urbanism or city building has failed Black people? Black citizens, Black urbanists, Black colleagues. One way. Orlando. And we’re gonna keep this one a little bit short.  

Orlando Bailey [00:43:04] Yeah, I’ll keep it short. I think that the profession as well as academia. I think it’s been a confluence of failures. One of the things that I’m always asking universities, especially around urban planning and policy, is who are you assigning? What readings are you assigning to your students and are any of those folks people of colour? Are any of those folks some women, you know, Black people? And more often than not, it’s not. And so we are trained in this profession in a very whitewashed way, rooted in white supremacy in America. And it looks very different in practicum when you come to a city like Detroit, that’s all Black because your academia is not going to teach you how to put those practices into practices here in the city of Detroit. And so a lot of folks in our city sometimes feel railroaded and ignored by designers and planners in our city because we see sometimes civic, like, authentic co-creation and civic engagement as a chore and not a privilege. Right? And so when when we approach it from that way, from this from this this this academic teaching rooted in white supremacy, we will consistently fail in the co-creation, in the designing of our public spaces. You say keep it short, imma keep it short. But in essence, that’s that’s what we see perpetuated here in the city of Detroit. And I’ll say this and I’ll be done, I promise – is that these systems are so powerful that we even have perpetuate, the perpetuation of this oppression in the form of Black faces and Black mouthpieces and Asian faces and Asian mouthpieces, because we have failed once to, once we infiltrate the system to keep that bridge to the folks who are in the streets, the folks who are living in the neighbourhoods. And so I want us to further interrogate where we where we learn to be urbanists and city builders and how we’ve learnt it.  

Jay Pitter [00:45:24] Tamika. 

Tamika Butler [00:45:26] I mean, we don’t have enough time to talk about all the failures of our profession and our of our industry, and frankly, anything we’re going to say could be extrapolated beyond, you know, planning. But I think for me, the two biggest failures are not believing us and continuing to operate from a premise of the fact that Black people owe you something. And we don’t have enough time for me to give a proper history lesson. But the reality is, the second we decided, as a people, that we were gonna be liberated and no longer work for free is the second that people started saying we were lazy, started saying we were angry, started saying we were no good, no good that. Because we had the audacity to say we are people and we will not build your country, we will not build your economies, we will not keep you running during a pandemic because we are your essential workers. We will not do these things for free. And the second we articulate that, even if we are in a post-racial era, no matter where you live in this world, the second you demand to be seen for the person that you are, for all of your brilliance, for all of your talents as a Black person, you are right back on the plantation. The folks in power say to you, mmm, I brought you here for your face. I brought you here to be the talk piece. I brought you here to do what I thought I could control you doing. And so the second you decide to have independent thought, I might not say the N-word, but you better know your place. You have to do it like this. This is what being professional means. This is what it looks like. And so for me, it’s this idea that we owe you something and so to succeed, we must do it in the way that you, master, say we have to do it when in reality we don’t know you shit! You owe us! We built this and we can tear it down. And that is what you are seeing right now, because we are the ones that got y’all all the nice things. And whether or not that’s knowing what’s cool, whether or not that’s knowing your music, or whether or not that’s knowing how to talk to people in the streets that we are yet again reminding you are ours. And so when we don‘t allow people to get out of that framework, that Black people owe you something, that you are no better than the master. And the second and short one is not believing us. I see all these white feminists when somebody speaks out and we say, me too, which again, started by a Black woman, but when we say that, we’re like just believe women. I need white people to believe Black people. You have to see a video and see a video after you’ve seen millions of videos, you can be upset about a white woman in the park. But you don’t realise that you’re that white woman every single day I work with you? Every single day you take something up the chain, every single day you try to help me? And so for me, it’s how transformative would it be if you just believed us when we said something, when we said this is how that might be perceived. And we might not be the professors because it’s a racist institution and you’ve kept a lot of us out. We might not be the people you see on the news talking because you guys have decided that for Black people to be experts, it has to be about criminal justice or or something else Black but we can’t be the experts of something like transportation. But you know what? These schools should just be sayin, “pshh entry test? Essays? Recommendations? Please come in. Let us give you a degree, because we’re going to get more.” So just believe us and just realize that just because we don’t want to do shit for free does not make us lazy. We might be angry, but we deserve it because we don’t owe you shit – you owe us.  

Jay Pitter [00:49:05] So it looks like we cannot be brief with this question at all…  

Tamika Butler [00:49:11] Sorry, that was brief! 

Jay Pitter [00:49:17] Hahaha that’s ok! That that’s ok! I’m flowing with y’all. Obviously, the brief thing is out the window, that’s OK. This is the beginning of, obviously, what needs to be a series and multiple conversations. So, Will, you’re up next. And then I believe Anthonia? Yes? OK. Will.  

Will Prosper [00:49:36] Thanks for your fire, Tamika. I really appreciate it. I think it’s also necessary so thanks to you for a lot for that. And as you can see, you know, time is a luxury for lots of us, you know. So that’s why when I found that, you know, people are complaining about some folks not doing anything, I think it’s well deserved. But that’s not even the case. We’re working our butts off, you know, and doing so many work. And if you want, if I want to respond to your question, Jay, if you take a situation at the neighbourhood that, you know, we’re working at in Montréal and stuff like that, what we are seeing is that, you know, the design of the place was meant to be failing us, you know. And because of that, you know, lots of folks from Black communities actually contracted even more the virus. The reality of the neighbourhood like mine, it’s a food desert. It’s a hell desert. It’s an arts desert. It’s a transport desert. But the thing that it’s not a desert that is an oasis, it’s actually policing. You know, the number one reason that you have a bigger police presence in all the cities all over Canada is actually because of the number of racialised folks and Indigenous folks living in these communities. It has nothing to do with the crime rate, you know. And even when a Black person gets shot like it happens so many times in our community, you know, because I work with lots of families, you know, there’s no services for them. There’s actually nothing. There’s a void of everything again. There’s no mental health support. There’s no financial support. There’s absolutely nothing. And there’s not a teaching also, you know what’s their situation, what they’re gonna be facing with the media, the judiciary process and stuff like that. So there’s absolutely nothing. So because of that, you know, what we’ve started to do over here in Montréal is I’ve been investigating Black bodies being killed by the police. So I’ve been going around asking neighbours doing investigation because police are not doing their work. But not only police, the journalists are not doing their work. So we’ve been extracting videos from these cases by the work that we’re doing. We’re doing reconstruction videos of Black bodies being murdered by the police. This is not something that we should be doing, but we have to do it because the system is failing us so much, so it tells you the level that we have to go to because you’re not doing your basic work. And that’s a reality that we’re facing on an everyday basis. And I’m not even talking about the situation that was taken beforehand with the coronavirus that we’re distributing health kits, that we’re dealing with families giving angels. We’re trying to find alternative justice system for our communities because the system is being or having an overrepresentation of Black folks in this country over in Canada and the same thing for Indigenous. And I’m a filmmaker. I’m doing movies and I’m looking at my white folks who are friends and they’re devoting all their time just to their movie while I have to do all of this. And I’m expected to do a better movie than they’re doing and they’ll be criticising me for the movie that I might be doing. It’s really ridiculous when you take a look at that, you know, so I think we have to rethink our society. And, you know, we have to do something else.  

Jay Pitter [00:52:52] I’m going to have to call time, I’m so sorry. I’ve watching the time. I just would like Anthonia to get in. Anthonia, two minutes, and then I’m seeing in the comment box that people want to get some steps. And so I have some steps that I’d like to offer in the last two minutes as well. So, Anthonia, over to you for two minutes. I will provide some action steps for the last two minutes and we’ll close out. I know this is just the beginning of a conversation, you’re all brilliant. Anthonia 

Anthonia Ogundele [00:53:20] Yeah. I think I’m going to say two things and I’m going to try and keep a tight. The, what everyone has said kind of around the table around just believing and this it this continuous invalidation of the black imagination. I’m just going to call back to again, recalling back to how we’ve used public space in the past from, again, graffiti being seen as criminalised and hyper policed and removed to it now being something that adds vibrance to the public space. There’s a lot of these amazing innovations happening with Black youth right now and happening within the Black community that continue to be either restricted by bylaws or impacted because planners don’t see that as urbanism. And the ability to also say you’re an urbanist, many times Black community or members, members of the Black community don’t feel, “am I a planner? Am I an urbanist?” Let me tell you, I am a I’m a student of hip-hop and I always say that they were the first urbanists that tell had been telling the story of the street, been telling the story and they’ve actually been the ones that have been predicting and talking about what is happening right now. I’ve often called them the slave drums of our set of of our time right now because people aren’t listening. And then the urban planners that sit at the table with me are like, “I don’t even understand what they’re saying.” You need to we need to listen. And the second thing is what Tamika’s talked about. I get called in for equity groups. I get called in to talk about, you know, what’s happening within the Black community. I’ve worked fifteen years in emergency management and disaster planning. I’ve also worked professionally in sustainability, understand that stuff back and forth. The equity conversation ends up on the side when I bring it up at the table at those professional technical conversations to integrate equity. It’s always said it’s either “out of scope” or “we have a community group that’s looking at that, so don’t worry about it.” People that are in these technical spaces need to look at the biases that are being that there, that are integrated into everything that they’re coming up or planning with. You can’t just overlay and slap on equity, you can’t overlay and flap on this conversation. We need to be everyone at the table needs to have a competency and understanding of our shared humanity on this. And that’s where I see that we’re failing. We’re actually not challenging the transportation engineers. We’re not challenging the professionals around the table to talk about the stuff we’re putting on…  

Jay Pitter [00:55:41] Absolutely. And I’m so sorry, I am so sorry to cut this short. I’m going to just end with a couple of key points in terms of actions. So here’s an action for urbanists in this moment, particularly nonblack urbanists. So here are a few things. In this moment, there are many opportunities to receive funding and receive project work around anti-Blackness and also urban equity. If you have not done this work up until this point, kindly step out of the way. To step into this lane at this moment is opportunistic. Someone once said to me that, “we can’t let a pandemic go to waste.” Let me just say back to all of you that that is a vulgarity. It is a manifestation of colonisation. Stay in your lane. Do not step into this work and take resources from those of us who’ve been doing this work with great risk and also working overtime, number one. But shall you collaborate? Yes, you should. How do you collaborate? Do not call Black people randomly who’ve never spoken to a day in your life. Let’s proceed with relationship and respect. So a rule that I have is that during this time, I will have no new collaborations. We are having this conversation at CUI because Mary Rowe saw me as a full human being and a colleague long before a pandemic and funding opportunities were placed on the table. That is why I’ve I’ve accepted a fellowship with CUI and I would advise all Black people to not accept invitations or collaborations that are not respectful and equitable and that do not benefit communities as a whole. So that’s another point that I would make. I’m also also want to just very quickly say that equity doesn’t mean compromising excellence. Black people and other people from racialized groups and equity-seeking groups, we are indeed excellent. We may actually be double excellent because we come with expertise and also lived experience. There is no way you can possibly pay us enough. So please don’t conflate equity, inclusion and representation with compromising excellence. That is simply not the case. Number four: we are all in this together, but we are in this together differently. So when you talk to other folks about the situation, don’t reduce this to like a simplified tagline. This is multi-dimensional and we have to remember that we’re located in different places. We’re all suffering and we’re all uncomfortable, but we’re not all having the same experience. So it would be really good to be mindful of that. I am at 12:59. What I will end with is to say that Black people have always contributed to the sway, the character, the economy, the dialect of cities. We have always done that. Urbanism is actually sometimes used in place of Black. We will continue to contribute to the swag, the character, the prosperity of our cities. And we will not ask for permission. No justice. No peace. Thank you for joining us today.  

Mary Rowe [00:59:17] I don’t have very many words, folks. You’ve given us so much to think about, the chat box is exploding. We’ve had two thousand people on this session and very, very some very closely. The conversation has to just be the beginning. Lots of people on the chat box saying, “please, let’s have a series. Let’s figure out what the next set of steps are as we journey together in this.” So if I could just thank Tamika and Orlando and Anthonia and Will for taking time to share your personal stories, making all these critically important points about the personal, the professional, the political. We all need to hear it and people were very, very appreciative of you taking the time. And finally to thank our colleague, Jay Pitter, for putting this such a thoughtful session together and moderating it so beautifully. Later today, Jay is going to release a really important, provocative document called “A Call to Courage” that every urbanist in North America should read, and they probably will see it. So it’ll be released later today. And we look forward, as I say, to continuing the dialogue and the journey together. So, again, thank you to all five of you for taking the time and thanks to all the people that came in. Tomorrow, we’re talking at midday: CityTalk on parks and equity in parks with park people. And then on Friday, we have a one-on-one CityTalk with the mayor of Calgary, Naheed Nenshi. So please join us tomorrow midday. And again, thank you very, very much for today.  

Orlando Bailey [01:00:50] I don’t think folks are ready to go, folks are still, still here haha. Wow. 

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12:04:53          From Sarah Wikle: Greetings from the Central Coast, CA. Thank you for putting this together and the opportunity to be here!

12:04:59          From Lisa Moffatt: Hello from Squamish, Musqueam and Tsleil-Waututh territory and the home of Hogan’s Alley. Thank you for this session.

12:05:00          From Aimee Pugao to All panelists: Hello from Whitby, Ont

12:05:01          From Camila Uriona to All panelists: Orlando! thank you for being part of this conversation.

12:05:03          From Brian to All panelists: Hello from Huntsville Alabama! Thank you for doing this – we need it down here…

12:05:03          From Leigh Stickle: Hello from Vancouver all

12:05:04          From Tom Bellino to All panelists: Hello from Los Angeles!

12:05:06          From Karin Valentine Goins: Hello from Worcester MA

12:05:07          From Michelle Kearns: Hello from Toronto

12:05:07          From Michelle Robinson to All panelists: solidarity from Moh’kins’tsis, the Blackfoot name for colonial Canada’s city, Calgary.

12:05:08          From Laura Tolkoff to All panelists: Thank you for this event and hello from the San Francisco Bay Area.

12:05:10          From Camila Uriona to All panelists: thank you all

12:05:11          From Evren Sonmez to All panelists: Hello from Tucson, Arizona.

12:05:12          From Angelic Mojica: Hello from Winnipeg. Thank you!

12:05:13          From Jaclyn Gault: From Seattle, WA

12:05:16          From Sylvia Crum: Hello from Memphis, TN, US. Thank you for offering your time, today!

12:05:17          From Tamara Nahal to All panelists: Thank you to everyone on the panel for speaking on this and sharing your knowledge. Hi from Toronto.

12:05:22          From Mapfumo Chidzonga to All panelists: Greetings from Halifax, Nova Scotia

12:05:22          From Vrinda Bhardwaj: Greetings from Brampton!

12:05:23          From Jenna Dutton: hello from Calgary. Thank you Jay and all panelists for your valuable time

12:05:24          From Ashita Parekh: Hello from Toronto! Thank you for this!

12:05:26          From Genet Mehari to All panelists: Hello from Calgary

12:05:27          From mfazio to All panelists: Hello from Oakville, Ontario, Canada

12:05:33          From Ailish Farrelly to All panelists: Hello from Mississauga Library. This discussion is one that we need. Thank-you for your strength

12:05:34          From Leanne Roderick to All panelists: Hello from unneeded Squamish lands

12:05:35          From Owen Brady to All panelists: also from Vancouver

12:05:38          From LoriAnn Girvan to All panelists: Bonjour de Gatineau – thank you for this conversation.

12:05:42          From Shagufta Pasta to All panelists: Greetings from Vancouver! Very excited for today’s conversation.

12:05:44          From Nick Herder to All panelists: Hello from Newfoundland

12:05:47          From annie koh to All panelists: Los Angeles County (Tongva lands). So thankful for this

12:05:47          From Kelly Vu to All panelists: Hi from Montreal! Thanks for this!

12:05:48          From Wendy Peart to All panelists: Hello from Regina, Sk, Treaty 4 territory

12:05:49          From Mikel Calleja to All panelists: Hello from Toronto! Thanks for organizing this

12:05:49          From Tracy McMillan: Hello from SF Bay Area. Thank you for your time.

12:05:52          From Skye Sturm: Hello from Italy! (originally from Alaska, USA)

12:05:52          From Resie Manga to All panelists: Hello from Toronto! Thank you for putting this together!

12:05:52          From Shagufta Pasta: Greetings from Vancouver! Very excited for today’s conversation.

12:05:53          From Sunjay Mathuria: Hi from Toronto!

12:05:55          From Rogelio Pardo to All panelists: Checking in from LA!

12:05:56          From Karima Peermohammad: Hi from Toronto

12:05:56          From Andrew Struthers to All panelists: Hello from Edmonton. Thanks for organizing and participating

12:05:59          From Cameron Maxwell to All panelists: Hello from London England

12:06:01          From Kailey Lamont: Hello from Edmonton, Alberta.

12:06:03          From Alice Ming Wai Jim: Holding space with you from Montreal/Tio’tia:ke

12:06:03          From Mary Castel: Thank you Jay and all of the panelists for sharing your time, labour, and wisdom.

12:06:04          From Ryan Senechal to All panelists: hello from Victoria, thank you panelists for sharing

12:06:08          From Sam Carter-Shamai: Love seeing everyone here from all over the map!

12:06:11          From Natalie Tate: Hello from Lexington, KY, US (originally from the SF Bay Area). Thank you to all the panelists and organizers today!

12:06:12          From Kelly Rico to All panelists: Hello from Tkaronto! Thank you Jay and each panelist for your presence and time.

12:06:14          From Neil Loewen: Hello from Winnipeg!

12:06:14          From Richard Campbell: hi from Coquitlam. Thanks!

12:06:15          From Paolo Tolfo: Hi from Toronto!

12:06:17          From Francisco Lopez to All panelists: Hello from mexico city!

12:06:17          From Abdullahi Abdulle to All panelists: Greetings and much respect from Minneapolis

12:06:18          From Benjamin Bongolan: Hello from Mississauga, Ontario thank you so much for this panel.

12:06:18          From Margarita Parra: Hi all from Redwood City CA

12:06:19          From Jhanelle Campbell to All panelists: Greetings from Fort Lauderdale Florida!

12:06:19          From Luke Klipp: Hello from Los Angeles, CA, USA

12:06:26          From Lauren An to All panelists: Hello from Toronto!

12:06:28          From Mark Guslits: Hi Jay. Mark out here.

12:06:30          From Jennifer Vey to All panelists: Hello from Baltimore, MD. I’m grateful to be able to participate in this program.

12:06:30          From Thevishka Kanishkan to All panelists: Hi from Toronto!

12:06:32          From Timothy Papandreou to All panelists: hi from San Francisco!

12:06:33          From Miranda Adams: Hi from NYC, formerly Minneapolis-St. Paul

12:06:33          From Lisa Chominiec to All panelists: Hello from Cambridge, Ontario

12:06:36          From Yasamin El Borai to All panelists: Brampton, Ontario !

12:06:40          From Will Curran-groome to All panelists: Hello from Minneapolis. Thanks to all the presenters and organizers for sharing your time and thoughts!

12:06:41          From Nupur Chaudhury to All panelists: Hello from New York. Excited to listen and learn, and mobilize South Asians (my people) as you all see fit.

12:06:41          From Anne Marie Aikins: hello from the world of transit in Toronto. thank you for hosting.

12:06:44          From Annie Yang: Hello from Montreal. QC

12:06:48          From stephen spring to All panelists: Greetings from Atlanta. Thank you.

12:06:48          From Stephanie Sersli to All panelists: Hi from Vancouver. So excited for this!

12:06:49          From Ennis Davis to All panelists: Hello from Jacksonville, FL. Looking forward to this discussion.

12:06:49          From Tim Shah to All panelists: Hello from Victoria, BC!

12:06:50          From Christopher Hawthorne: Good morning from Los Angeles — grateful to the organizers and panelists for this conversation

12:06:51          From Emily Paradis: Hello all from Toronto!

12:06:51          From Corey Horowitz: Hi from Toronto. Thanks for putting this on all

12:06:57          From Candace Safonovs to All panelists: Hello from Toronto. Thank you for this panel today.

12:06:57          From Andre Darmanin: Hello to my LA friends and colleagues.

12:06:59          From Anita Khurana to All panelists: Greetings from Brampton

12:07:00          From joanna delos reyes to All panelists: Hello from Toronto

12:07:01          From Jessica Alba to All panelists: Hi from Redwood City, CA. Thanks for pulling this powerful group of speakers together.

12:07:02          From Kristen Gagnon: Hello from Ottawa!

12:07:04          From Dina Graser: Hello from Toronto, looking forward to this conversation.

12:07:05          From Paula M.A. Campkin to All panelists: Hello from Calgary

12:07:06          From Barb Chamberlain: Hello from Seattle. Thank you for generously sharing your time, wisdom and experience.

12:07:08          From Jamie Osborne to All panelists: Chicago representing. Thanks for hosting!

12:07:17          From Keisha St. Louis-McBurnie: planning student from toronto. thank you for convening this critical conversation.

12:07:17          From Jessie Best to All panelists: Hi from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan

12:07:18          From Maisha Barnett to All panelists: Greetings from Seattle. Thank you Jay Pitter for organizing this important conversation.

12:07:18          From Alexis David: “united in a shared vision to ensure that everyone thrives” Love that sentiment… Hi from the GTA:)

12:07:20          From Sara Stevens to All panelists: Hello from Vancouver!

12:07:27          From Chloe Golfrn: Hello from Regina, SK. Thank you all for your time, energy, and compassion.

12:07:31          From Margo Dawes: Another hello from Seattle!

12:07:49          From Darryl Gaston: Greetings from Charlotte NC.

12:07:49          From Gregg Lintern: hello from Toronto City Planning — thank you Mary, Jay and all the panelists for today

12:07:51          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: Aaayyyyeee Margo! Hello All, also from Seattle:)

12:08:00          From Rob Sadowsky to All panelists: Here from Portland to listen and lean in.

12:08:07          From Matthew Sweet to All panelists: hello, working in Mississauga for the past few years. anthonia, listening closely to your early experiences

12:08:08          From Gina Ford to All panelists: hello from Boston!

12:08:17          From Sean David: Listening and watching from Red Deer, AB with a Guysborough, Nova Scotia birth lens sharpened by the Black Loyalist Experience.

12:08:18          From Cynthia Wilkey to All panelists: Hello from Toronto – thank you for this opportunity.

12:08:18          From Niko Casuncad to All panelists: Hello from tkaronto (Toronto)! Looking forward to listening and grateful for the panel to share with us today.

12:08:22          From Liz Thorstensen to All panelists: Hello from DC. Thank you so much to the panelists and moderator for this conversation.

12:08:26          From Ashley Mannello to All panelists: Thank you everyone for sharing your experiences and stories.

12:08:31          From Tecla Van Bussel to All panelists: Hi from unceded Musqueam, Squamish, and Tsleil Waututh territory (Vancouver). Grateful for the labour in gathering for this public conversation

12:08:32          From Benjamin Hoff: Hi from Toronto. Thank you to all panelists!

12:08:34          From Sarah Brown to All panelists: planning student from Chapel Hill, NC! Thank you so much for your time and dedication

12:08:34          From Emily Reisman: Another warm hello from TO

12:08:35          From Calvin T. Brown to All panelists: Hello from NYC; an urban planner.

12:08:36          From Alex Mather: Greetings from Toronto; special thanks to the organizers and panelists.

12:08:42          From Giovanna Dunmall to All panelists: Hello from London (the UK one!)

12:08:42          From Carina Cojeen to All panelists: Thank you for this. Listening today from Parkdale, Toronto; soon to be Longueuil, QC. Thank you for sharing your stories.

12:08:48          From Karen Schulman Dupuis to All panelists: Hello from Hamilton, Ontario. Thank you for sharing your stories.

12:09:00          From Alicia Close to All panelists: Hello from Toronto. Thank you so much for sharing your stories, experience and wisdom.

12:09:06          From Matthew Sweet: hello from Mississauga

12:09:10          From Meaghon Reid to All panelists: Hi from Calgary, with gratitude to the panelists

12:09:11          From James Chan to All panelists: Hello all from London Ontario

12:09:11          From Richard Joy to All panelists: Greetings from ULI Toronto

12:09:12          From Andre Darmanin: Not an excuse Orlando! This is what we want to hear!

12:09:23          From Renrick: Hello from City of Toronto, thanks for the discussion

12:09:32          From Dave Edwards: Hello and thank you, also from Toronto

12:09:33          From Ananya Vaghela: Another hello from Toronto~

12:09:42          From Canadian Urban Institute: Reminding attendees to please change your chat settings to “all panelists and attendees” so everyone can see your comments.

12:09:46          From Deanne Mighton to All panelists: Good Afternoon.

12:09:48          From Nina Idemudia: Detroit stand up <3

12:09:51          From Dhanya Rajagopal to All panelists: Dhanya from NYC and soon to be in India!

12:09:54          From Catherine Osborne to All panelists: Hello form Toronto!

12:09:54          From selam eyob to All panelists: Hey from Toronto!! Thank you for the discussion

12:09:54          From Charlene Cressman: Hello from Toronto – thank you to all the panelists.

12:09:55          From Carina Cojeen: Listening today from Parkdale, Toronto; soon to be Longueuil, QC. Thank you for sharing your stories.

12:09:56          From Georgia Luyt: Hello and thank you from Toronto!

12:09:57          From Tim Shah: Hello from Victoria, BC!

12:10:02          From Dan seljak: Hello from Toronto – grateful to this panel and moderator

12:10:05          From Charn Gill: Hello from Vancouver. Thank you so much for this.

12:10:08          From Sara Stevens: Hello from Vancouver

12:10:16          From CARY WESTERBECK to All panelists: Hello from Seattle!

12:10:19          From Nabeel Ahmed: Hello from Mississauga

12:10:19          From Blair Satterfield to All panelists: Thank you from Vancouver

12:10:21          From Tammy Chung: Thank you for inviting us to listen, from Toronto

12:10:23          From Reva Quam: Hey and thanks from Toronto!

12:10:25          From Alex Smiciklas: Another hello from Toronto! Thank you all so much.

12:10:30          From Sam Carter-Shamai: I think I had a similar memory in Dearborn visiting my Grandpa too

12:10:31          From Alexandra Alcorn: Hi from Charlotte!

12:10:33          From Dave McLaughlin to All panelists: Hello from York Region.

12:10:34          From Jelita Scott-Middlebrooks: Hello! Thank you so much from Mississauga.

12:10:37          From Karol Murillo to All panelists: Thank you to Jay and all the panelists! Hello from Hamilton, Canada.

12:10:39          From Tamara Nahal: Thank you to everyone on the panel for speaking on your experiences and sharing your knowledge. Hello from Toronto.

12:10:41          From Holly Hixson to All panelists: Hello from Montreal! Excited to listen and learn!

12:10:43          From Cheryl Cohen: Hello from Toronto.

12:10:43          From Sara Udow to All panelists: Thank you for sharing your experiences. Saw Tamika speak earlier this year and raise such important points. Thank you for sharing and being vulnerable. Very grateful.

12:10:43          From Andre Darmanin: Hey @jelita

12:10:46          From Ronald Sly to All panelists: Hi y’all can we cool it focus on what they’re saying.

12:10:46          From Ryan Senechal: hello from Urban Forestry in Victoria, thank you panelists for sharing

12:10:46          From Stephanie Malcher: Hi from Toronto! Thank you for hosting this discussion.

12:10:47          From LoriAnn Girvan: Bonjour de Gatineau – thank you for this conversation.

12:10:48          From Ranu Basu to All panelists: Hello from Scarborough!

12:10:49          From Juliana Feng: Hello from Markham, ON! Thank you to all panelists for sharing and for this important discussion <3

12:10:50          From Steve Paikin to All panelists: Hello from Midtown Toronto. Please continue to educate us.

12:10:54          From Debra Jakubec – debra.jakubec@edmonton.ca to All panelists: Hello – thank you for this. Debra Jakubec, City of Edmonton, Abundant Community Edmonton our Neighbouring Initiative. Would love to email with any of you debra.jakubec@edmonton.ca

12:10:56          From Candace Safonovs: Hello from Toronto and thank you to all the panelists today.

12:10:57          From Nate Storring: Hello from New Jersey, and thanks!

12:10:57          From Brandon Leal: Hello from Toronto. Thank you so much for inviting us to listen.

12:10:58          From Elaha Safi to All panelists: A warm hello from Brampton, thank you for this.

12:10:58          From Angela Jarvis: Hello from Vancouver. Thank you for sharing.

12:11:08          From Nupur Chaudhury: Hello from New York. Excited to listen and learn, and mobilize South Asians (my people) as you all see fit. There is a history of anti-blackness in the South Asian community, and we can do much better in solidarity. Ready to push my people.

12:11:08          From Matthew Davis to All panelists: Hello from City of Toronto – Transportation Services…via New Jersey lol:)

12:11:10          From Jesse Coleman to All panelists: Hello from Toronto, thanks for hosting this!

12:11:11          From Ronald Sly to All panelists: Does anyone know how to mute the chat?

12:11:11          From Miranda Sculthorp: bonjour from montreal!

12:11:11          From Lauren An: Hello from Toronto! Thank you panelists for the opportunity to listen.

12:11:13          From Amanda Large to All panelists: Hello from Toronto! Thank you for sharing this conversation.

12:11:16          From Jo-Anne to All panelists: thanks celeste for reminding me!

12:11:18          From Danielle Lenarcic Biss: Thankful for the opportunity to listen to this space today. Echoing the hellos from Tkaronto.

12:11:19          From Abby S to All panelists: Listening and continuing to learn.

12:11:24          From Suran Kethees: Good afternoon from Markham, ON! Thanks for your time and efforts!

12:11:27          From Abby S to All panelists: THank you

12:11:32          From Rob Polglase: Thank you for this panel and conversation, great to join you from Melbourne 🇦🇺

12:11:34          From Luisa Sotomayor: And another warm hello from Toronto! Thank you Jay for organizing and to all panelists for your generosity.

12:11:38          From Steven Heuchert: Hello from Toronto. Listening… A lot…

12:11:39          From Brian Bateman to All panelists: Hello from Kitchener Planning. Thank you for organizing.

12:11:53          From Wesley Crichlow to All panelists: Greetings everyone

12:11:56          From Lindsay Vanstone: Hi from Edmonton, thank you for hosting this and letting us listen

12:12:03          From Joanna Rees to All panelists: Hi from Whistler, BC

12:12:04          From Eleanor Mohammed: Good morning from Edmonton metro, AB, CA. Panelists, thank you so much for taking the time to share and be vulnerable while facing such tremendous societal demands and carrying an unfathomable (to many) psychological weight.

12:12:20          From Rebecca Sanders: Hello from Portland. Thank you, panel, for the opportunity to listen to, be present with, and learn from you today.

12:12:28          From Alan Kan: Hi from Mississauga, Ontario.

12:12:44          From Josephine Guan to All panelists: Hi from Toronto. Thanks for creating this space for us to listen

12:12:52          From Laura Lebel-Pantazopoulos: Hi from a Toronto planning student! Really important to hear these stories, thank you

12:12:55          From Christian Parr to All panelists: Thank you all for this dialogue from Vancouver BC sited on the traditional territory of the Squamish, Musqueam and Tsleil-Waututh First Peoples.

12:12:56          From Graham Haines: Hello from Toronto. Thank you for taking the time and energy to share with us today.

12:12:57          From Luke Klipp: Just want to honor and thank the panelists for being willing to open up to us this way.

12:13:00          From Bahij Chancey: Thank you for this, joining from NYC.

12:13:02          From Anna Kostecka: Hello from Toronto!

12:13:03          From Alice Ming Wai Jim: Bonjour, Will Prosper~

12:13:07          From Jocelyn Cadieux to All panelists: Thank you for the honour of letting me listen to this conversation. Thank you, Jay. – Ottawa

12:13:09          From Swathika Anandan: Hello from Toronto! Thank you for organizing and sharing this with us.

12:13:20          From Jodie Church: Also hello from Toronto – Thank you all for this opportunity, for sharing and for inviting us all to be a part of this.

12:13:23          From Sam Carter-Shamai: word, the mixed family experience is real

12:13:24          From mfazio to All panelists: Bonjour Will! C’Est un Plaisir d’etre ici avec vous!

12:13:28          From Felicity Borgal to All panelists: Hi from Ottawa / Bonjour d’Ottawa!. Thank you for putting this together – glad I saw the ad about it this morning and can join.

12:13:30          From Kevin Manaugh: Greetings from Montreal. Many thanks for this.

12:13:31          From Jo-Anne to All panelists: I grew up in Mtl as well and I remember my first racist experience.

12:13:36          From Jana Kelemen to All panelists: Hello from Burlington, Ontario. Thank you all.

12:13:42          From Jo-Anne to All panelists: I couldn’t understand what I did.

12:13:43          From Andre Darmanin: Oh I understand @Will with a Trinidadian mom and a Maltese dad.

12:13:59          From Peter Pantalone: Hello from Toronto – thank you all for giving your time today to be on this panel!

12:14:04          From Natalie Hickey: Hello from Hamilton, Ont. Grateful for this experience to listen to the panel.

12:14:04          From David Wachsmuth to All panelists: Greetings from Montreal—thanks very much for sharing.

12:14:08          From Mariela Alfonzo to All panelists: Hi from Boston…thank you all…

12:14:12          From Arcy Canumay to All panelists: Hello everyone from Waterloo. Trying to learn more and become a good ally.

12:14:16          From Katie Joyce to All panelists: Good morning from Vancouver

12:14:17          From Grace Candy to All panelists: Hello from Toronto! Thank you Jay and panelists for your time and efforts.

12:14:20          From Lanrick Bennett to All panelists: Just so happy to see this on my screen right now. Watching with both of my kids. Thank you. LBJ

12:14:23          From Tani Jacobs to All panelists: Hello from Iowa! I am so excited my sister Tamika is on this panel. Proud to see all of y’all today!

12:14:36          From Ray Lister to All panelists: Hello from Toronto — thank you for your time and energy today.

12:14:39          From Sam Carter-Shamai: hhahaaaa kick his racist little ass!!

12:14:54          From Jesse Mintz-Roth: Hello from San Jose, CA — Thanks for having this panel

12:15:14          From Ori A to All panelists: Haha Sam! Hello from Toronto, thanks for making space for these important conversations today.

12:15:39          From Ivy Campbell: Would be very interested to hear about the panelists experiences with racism in the professional realm

12:15:49          From Masooma Ali: Thank you for sharing your stories, time and knowledge with us. Grateful for the opportunity to listen and learn. Hello from Ajax!

12:16:13          From Canadian Urban Institute: Welcome new joiners! Just a reminder to please change your chat settings to “all panelists and attendees” so everyone can see your comments.

12:16:21          From Ori A: Haha Sam! Hello from Toronto, thanks for making space for these important conversations today.

12:16:42          From Cathy DeLuca: Hello from Oakland. A deep thank you to the panelists.

12:17:03          From sarah wayland: A big thank you from Hamilton for this opportunity to listen and learn, and for making space in your busy schedules to share.

12:17:29          From Hilary Norton to All panelists: Good morning from Los Angeles! Thank you to this extraordinary panel for sharing your lives and your lessons to respond to anti-Black racism with us. Thank you, Tamika Butler, for making sure that we are listening.

12:17:30          From Julie Dawley: Thank you so much for sharing your experiences with us so we can learn and grow from this. I really appreciate this opportunity. Hello from Tillsonburg.

12:17:32          From Chelsea Krahn: Hello from Vancouver- thank you for taking the time and energy to share in this panel.

12:17:43          From Karol Murillo to All panelists: “Its layered” 100%

12:17:55          From Mark McNulty to All panelists: Tuning in from New York City. Thank you for this opportunity to listen.

12:18:33          From Tracy Tang: Hello from Toronto. I really appreciate this conversation being presented for all city builders to start engaging in.

12:20:12          From Candice Leung: Congratulations Orlando! So happy you recovered

12:20:13          From Tani Jacobs: Thank you for this conversation. I am proud my sister Tamika is on this panel. Hello from Iowa!

12:20:15          From Robin Cory to All panelists: This is so important and powerful. Thank you all for being so open.

12:20:17          From Ailish Farrelly to All panelists: I think handling the stress patrons are dealing with professionally and empathically is the challenge i’m most concerned for.

12:20:33          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: Glad you recovered Orlando!

12:20:41          From Sarah Gelbard: Gratitude from Ottawa.

12:20:53          From Patrice Desdunes: Hi from Montreal. Very grateful for this conversation.

12:20:57          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: Hello from Toronto! Thanks for sharing your insights and experiences! I’m a public policy professional who wants create sustainable, inclusive, safe and equitable communities through government relations.

12:20:57          From Robin Thomas to All panelists: Blessings to you all from Bellingham, WA.

12:21:10          From annie koh: Just hearing and feeling the emotional weight of having to suppress alienation, the ways in which the world has constantly said “you don’t belong” “your value is less than…” “you aren’t part of the real public”

12:21:56          From Mohamed Dhanani to All panelists: Thank you from Ryerson University

12:21:58          From Sajid Sifat: Hello from Edmonton, AB. Thank you to the panelists for sharing your experiences!

12:22:05          From Stephanie Mah: Listening from Toronto, huge thank you to panelists, moderator, organizers

12:22:15          From Teresa Abbruzzese: A warm hello from the suburbs of Toronto. A sincere thank you to Jay and all panelists to share this conversation and your personal experiences!

12:22:41          From Thea Kurdi to All panelists: I wish captioning was available.

12:22:43          From annie koh: thank you Orlando to bringing the experiences of the incarcerated #FreeThemAll #TestThemAll #FreeThemAllforPublicHealth

12:22:46          From Abdon Aguillon to All panelists: Thank you for sharing, from Teeswater Ontario

12:22:53          From Anne Marie Aikins: incredible opportunity to witness and learn.

12:23:00          From Carmichael Polonio: Amen

12:23:23          From Rochelle Ivri: Absolutely!

12:23:26          From Mitchell Reardon to All panelists: Thank you for sharing these experiences, Orlando.

12:23:29          From James Hannig: Solidarity from Milwaukee, WI. Deepest gratitude for this conversation.

12:23:48          From Jill Stoner: For our school of architecture and urbanism, your words and your spirit of generosity in sharing your experiences, really make a difference. Thank you all.

12:23:50          From Canadian Urban Institute: You can find transcripts and recordings of today’s and all our webinars at https://www.canurb.org/citytalk

12:24:06          From Anna Elcock: hello from Liverpool!

12:24:08          From Calvin T. Brown to All panelists: “One degree away from black vulnerability”…so real!

12:24:28          From Kwende Kefentse to All panelists: Peace from Ottawa, unceeded Algonquin Annishnabeg territory!

12:24:32          From Desiree Geib: Thank you all so much for giving your time and thoughts to this discussion.

12:25:36          From Erin Ishizaki: so much respect and gratitude from Seattle. listening with big ears.

12:26:02          From Alycia Doering: Hello from Toronto! Thank you all for sharing your stories and experiences. Grateful to be here listening and learning from you:)

12:26:02          From Charles Thomas to All panelists: Hello from Charlotte. I so appreciate this conversation. Thank you for being present and sharing your experiences.

12:26:38          From Jo-Anne: guardian angels

12:26:39          From stephanie watt: guardian angels

12:26:50          From Leo Doyle to All panelists: Gaurdian Angels

12:27:05          From Agnes Mochama to All panelists: Hello from Mississauga! Thank you organizers for this panel and panelists for sharing your experiences.

12:27:19          From Genevieve Barber: Hello from Atlanta GA. Deep thanks for sharing your stories and experience.

12:27:37          From Emily Wall, CUI Staff to Thea Kurdi and all panelists: Hi Thea. We unfortunately don’t have captioning available right now on our live Zoom videos but we will look into making this available for our videos once they are posted on our blog.

12:27:41          From annie koh: Also so much honor to all the panelists’ parents who love and raised Black children in a world steeped in anti-Blackness.

12:27:53          From Rochelle Ivri: So so true Will!

12:28:12          From Rahul Mehta: Fully agree Annie <3

12:28:32          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: Black Community Resilience! yyyaaasssss

12:28:34          From Sheila Boudreau: The world is a better place with you all in it. You are incredible people, your families must be so proud. Thank you for sharing your stories and please stay strong. – Hello from Toronto!

12:28:55          From Rochelle Ivri: Yes Jay!!!

12:28:58          From maggie terrone to All panelists: grew up in RDP in Montreal. situation there is proof of socio economic problems in Quebec. thanks for sharing

12:29:03          From Michelle Robinson to All panelists: and so many French and English BECAUSE of colonialism globally.

12:29:08          From Candice Leung: I think it is worth explicitly noting that while black people step in to do the work of government, we hardly ever see recognition from the government or financial support.

12:30:16          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: facts

12:30:33          From Rachel Zack to All panelists: <3

12:30:54          From Bridget Jackson: YES

12:30:56          From Sam Carter-Shamai: YES!

12:31:01          From Carmichael Polonio: Tamika, yes

12:31:14          From Andre Darmanin: YES @Tamika!

12:31:17          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: 100%!

12:31:22          From Paul Kulig to All panelists: So much aging gracefully – love it.

12:31:32          From Brent Wilson to All panelists: Well said Tamika!

12:31:36          From David Rifkind to All panelists: thank you, Tamika, for your excellent essay in Bicycling Magazine.

12:31:40          From Paul Kulig to All panelists: but also a mindfuck.

12:31:42          From Jo-Anne: anyone remember that french woman who called the paramedics… Shes so right!!

12:31:53          From Helen Ketema: Amen

12:31:58          From Timothy Papandreou to All panelists: YES Tamika!

12:32:28          From Rahul Mehta: All of this.

12:32:33          From Sunjay Mathuria: 100%

12:32:35          From Ari Agha: Yup!

12:32:36          From Kenny Fennell: YES

12:32:37          From Chiyi Tam: YES

12:32:38          From Nina Idemudia: Yesss!!!

12:32:38          From Karol Murillo to All panelists: Tamika…you are a gift!

12:32:38          From Sam Carter-Shamai: How many of the rest of us have had this same experience?!

12:32:39          From Emily Wall, CUI Staff: Tamika’s article in Bicycling magazine: https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a32783551/cycling-talk-fight-racism/

12:32:39          From Edber: That is yt Pipo shit

12:32:39          From Lisa Moffatt: That is White people shit!!

12:32:40          From Keisha St. Louis-McBurnie: all of this.

12:32:44          From Ashita Parekh: Yesss!!!

12:32:44          From wajiha ibrahim: 100%

12:32:49          From Ivy Campbell: wow

12:32:51          From Dionne Co: yes the violence of compartmentalization

12:33:00          From Vivian Gomes to All panelists: Yes!!!!!!

12:33:01          From Hilary Norton: Hello from Los Angeles! Thank you to this extraordinary panel for sharing your lives and your lessons on responding to anti-Black racism. Thank you, Tamika Butler, for making sure that we are listening, learning and improving every day.

12:33:01          From Jamilla Mohamud to All panelists: that’s right

12:33:03          From Mel Marginet to All panelists: In Canada, indigenous communities are always told to “get over it”.

12:33:05          From Ariane Malo-Sauvé to All panelists: this statement was so powerfull!

12:33:05          From Yasmin Al-Samarrai: Wowowowow. Tamika THANKYOU for expressing this so beautifully.

12:33:06          From Danny Brown: White people have to acknowledge that it is a privilege to be able to separate the personal from the political

12:33:08          From Bahij Chancey: Inspiring Tamika Butler. You speak with such passion in so many forums.

12:33:09          From Hima Batavia to All panelists: This wisdom ^^

12:33:10          From Karol Murillo to All panelists: The expectation is too much right now.

12:33:12          From Candice Leung: actual tears rn.

12:33:13          From Chiyi Tam: Compartmentalizing WAS INVENTED BY WHITE CULTURE

12:33:14          From Maytal Kowalski: I just read Tamika’s article in Bicycling magazine yesterday – required reading

12:33:15          From Andre Darmanin: Oh I hate when white people do that Tamika. Keep our head in the sand and do the work. I’m sure many of my friends have dealt with the same. UGH!

12:33:17          From Zeina to All panelists: So well said, Tamika

12:33:23          From Krista McLellan to All panelists: so much gratitude for your words, Tamika.

12:33:30          From Carmichael Polonio: It’s draining

12:33:36          From Sam Carter-Shamai: so draining

12:33:36          From Bridget Jackson: i’m exhausted

12:33:41          From Jennifer Roth: Compartmentalizing is a fallacy. Thank you for these conversations. I’m listening.

12:33:54          From Jamie Van iersel to All panelists: you are beyond enough

12:33:58          From Sam Carter-Shamai: YOU ARE ENOUGH – WE ARE ALL SO MUCH MORE THAN ENOUGH

12:33:58          From Laura Villalba to All panelists: You’re brave, an incredible women and empowered! We are so pride of you!

12:33:59          From Calvin T. Brown to All panelists: Yes!!!!!

12:34:02          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: Yes!!! Tamika yyaaaassssss

12:34:04          From John Harlow: You are more than enough. You radicalized me against the urban planning I was doing before

12:34:13          From annie koh: Gretchen Sorin’s history of “Driving While Black” is full of heartbreaking examples of how being Black requires so much work to escape society’s ‘premature death sentence’ as Tamika put it so powerfully https://www.nypl.org/blog/2020/02/03/gretchen-sorin-driving-while-black

12:34:14          From Carmichael Polonio: Not for me, but for all of us, for our bloodline, for all of our children — globally

12:34:19          From Rahul Mehta: YES! Take less, appreciate, give, reciprocate MORE.

12:34:20          From Candice Leung: watching Anthonia express support and agreeing even when her mic is off is beautiful <3

12:34:22          From Jessica Alba: Tamika’s Bicycling Magazine article: https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a32783551/cycling-talk-fight-racism/

12:34:26          From Michelle Robinson to All panelists: YES!! They demand and demand..

12:34:27          From Kaari Kitawi to All panelists: Sooooo true! its very difficult to focus on work at this moment! its the heaviness, the burden… managing the GRIEF

12:34:29          From Farzana Rajwani to All panelists: Your voice is powerful and I’m grateful for you taking the time to share it. Thank you!

12:34:36          From Darnel Harris to All panelists: Wow.

12:34:45          From Barb Chamberlain: Another piece by Tamika: https://blog.usejournal.com/stop-killing-us-a-real-life-nightmare-dd47c576ec1b

12:34:55          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: *snaps*

12:35:03          From Jason Syvixay: Yes!

12:35:07          From Wil Canel: ^ thank you for sharing these!

12:35:09          From Andre Darmanin: YES!!! Not today. No tomorrow!

12:35:09          From Nicole Coutinho: yes!

12:35:12          From Carmen Mays: The Nap Ministry on IG

12:35:15          From Niko Casuncad to All panelists: 100%

12:35:15          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: Hahaha yessss!! Others gotta do the work and google it!

12:35:16          From Timothy Papandreou to All panelists: REST. We have to do the work ourselves, Google it ourselves, learn and then support and hold.

12:35:25          From Seden Lai to All panelists: Thanks for sharing Tamika’s links ^^

12:35:27          From Elizabeth Pagliacolo: Thank you all for sharing your experiences

12:35:30          From Andre Darmanin: Sup @carmen

12:35:39          From Katrina Chaves to All panelists: Powerful words, thank you Tamika and all the other panelists for sharing your experiences and thoughts

12:35:51          From Rahul Mehta: Thanks for sharing Maytal!

12:35:57          From Jessica Alba: Danielle Dirksen’s “The Planner’s Beginner Guide to the #BlackLivesMatter Movement”:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17vLQ0Zb2EK4hvt5waJ1WhJ67s5POY6hb/view

12:36:13          From Tammy Chung: I am listening so I can learn how to educate myself and my children on this topic, and to help change the world together. thank you for sharing and educating us.

12:36:29          From Kelly Vu: Thanks for that document @jessica!

12:36:29          From Imtiyaz Rahaman to All panelists: Re Black women ‘saving the day’ 2005 Mayor of London (UK) report “Delivering Shared Heritage’ echoes many points. Chair was Jocelyn Barrow (Trinidadian-British). Top level sponsorship (Mayor) and Chaired by someone who understood and could navigate the system. And a very urban context (London). Your intro stories – thanks for sharing, brough back some memories of my own.

12:36:36          From Andre Darmanin: Thanks @Jessica for reposting that article for my planner friends.

12:36:53          From Candice Leung: Thanks to the folks posting links to resources <3

12:37:09          From Edber: “Stop Killing Us: A Real Life Nightmare” if you are a white planner/person, highly recommend to read this deep essay by Tamika Butler: https://blog.usejournal.com/stop-killing-us-a-real-life-nightmare-dd47c576ec1b

12:37:14          From Molly Steeves: Thank you for posting all of these links and resources!

12:37:15          From Shahinaz Eshesh to All panelists: Thank you for sharing all these resources! I will be sharing this with my larger team!

12:37:20          From annie koh: thank you jessica for sharing! the statements by american planning association and american institute of architects are so so insufficient. i think the AIA one doesn’t even make a direct reference to Black people….. !!!!!

12:37:21          From Molly Steeves: Hi @Carmen!

12:37:22          From wajiha ibrahim: incredible sources, thanks for sharing

12:37:22          From Kelly Fitz to All panelists: thank you to all Panelists for sharing your stories

12:37:43          From Sarah König: Good evening from Osnabrück, Germany. I’m glad to be able to listen to your experience and expertise concerning racism and public space, cause it is hard to bring up this topic even if we have a long history of migration in Germany. But most of those families with a (long) history of migration are from Italy or Poland, or Turkey … and from the majority of our community aren’t seen as people who face racism, cause their skin isn’t as black as some other peoples’ skin – which of course is wrong, they face racism too. Thus the topic isn’t recognised in urban/traffic planning and this is annoying.

 

I hope I formulated my thoughts right, although missing some vocabulary …

 

You are awesome!

12:37:43          From Preethi Anbalagan: Warm hello from Brampton!! Thanks for sharing Jessica!

12:37:45          From Thea Kurdi to All panelists: I’m also interest in how the black disabled community has been engaged and how their needs and vision in Urban Planning are being included

12:37:58          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: the cycle of oppression and racism continues in digital spaces and the tech industry…

12:38:05          From Suzanne Bennett to All panelists: Thank you for the additional articles!

12:38:05          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: oohhhh gratitude check out

12:38:12          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: Need to find this so we can do at work

12:38:18          From Lynn Ross: I’ve made use of lmgtfy.com quite frequently in the last few weeks. Google is free. My time is not.

12:38:26          From Canadian Urban Institute: Reminding attendees to please change your chat settings to “all panelists and attendees” so everyone can see your comments.

12:38:42          From Cheryl Cohen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj8qEO3qMuM&t=2s&fbclid=IwAR2QLAf70x8cwOhjcrV5VXX4_VQOSpSq7GjH98fbMHfi1JGkR1cv9lkzme0

12:38:46          From Ari Agha: YES @Lynn Ross

12:39:03          From Chiyi Tam: Also recommend lmgtfy.com (Let Me Google That For You .com)

12:39:08          From annie koh: @Lynn ahahahah. I saw that Mariame Kaba @prisonculture tweeted yesterday that people are emailing her to demand she explain abolition

12:39:31          From Cameil McLennon to All panelists: I’m happy to see racism being addressed on a much larger scale, it gives me hope. My daughter will have better opportunities than I have. And for those in Toronto surprised racism exist in our communities, racism is here! I came here to live just 6 years ago and in that 6 years I’ve lived here I’ve experienced more racism than I did in my 29 years of life prior to moving here. I just hope this is not a 9 days wonder. And we will finally be seen and treated as equals

12:40:06          From Jesse Helmer: Hello from London, Ontario: Segregation by Design, a book by political scientist Jessica Trounstine, has helped me better understand how and why institutions of local government, especially zoning, reinforce and perpetuate segregation and inequality in cities. https://www.amazon.ca/Segregation-Design-Politics-Inequality-American/dp/1108454984

12:40:12          From Helen Ketema: @Sarah Konig- just want to highlight that there are black people in Germany who face anti-blackness as well. We are centering Anti-blackness in this particular conversation.

12:40:56          From Thea Kurdi to All panelists: LA Times article and video: How do you sign ‘Black Lives Matter’ in ASL? https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-08/how-do-you-sign-black-lives-matter-in-asl-for-black-deaf-angelenos-its-complicated?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

12:41:56          From Kelly Vu: yes

12:42:08          From Kaari Kitawi: @Sarah Konig, I agree with @Helen Katema

12:42:19          From Jason Neville to All panelists: This is so good. Thank you all.

12:42:22          From Cameil McLennon to All panelists: Well said Jay

12:42:25          From Cecily Foote to All panelists: More book recommendations, from Curbed: https://www.curbed.com/2020/6/5/21281828/5-essential-books-for-designing-equitable-cities

12:42:36          From annie koh: YES bringing our whole selves, with our feelings and love and fear and grief and hope

12:42:41          From Cecily Foote: More book recommendations, from Curbed: https://www.curbed.com/2020/6/5/21281828/5-essential-books-for-designing-equitable-cities

12:42:46          From Deborah Murphy: tamika – yes, the best professional work comes from personal experience. that has led all my work as an advocate and as a designer/planner. thanks for reminding us how to do our work and keeping it real.

12:42:51          From Jay McGuffin to All panelists: Jesse, than you for the reading recommendation. I look forward to the read!

12:43:05          From Karol Murillo to All panelists: Question to panelists – Where are your allies?

12:43:14          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: blackface in video games that target youth are next level horrific! Black genocide is entertainment on social media and mass media outlets..the cycle continues in this digital era.

12:43:16          From Sam Carter-Shamai: it is so important and re-assuring to hear you centre our humanity – to hear the thoughts that run through my mind expressed

12:43:28          From Andre Darmanin: As I am waiting to re-acceptance into the MPA program at Western, I was forwarded this book title especially how whites have failed us in the public sector. https://www.amazon.ca/Race-Social-Equity-Nervous-Government/dp/0765637197.

12:43:36          From Rahul Mehta: Different and comparable elements all over the world: https://www.citylab.com/perspective/2020/06/george-floyd-protest-urban-design-history-racism-architecture/612622/

12:43:37          From Nupur Chaudhury: https://vimeo.com/192820382 A 8 minute video that I worked on to explain the history of racialized zoning, through the lens of a young black woman being priced out of her home neighborhood. May be helpful in conversations…..

12:43:38          From Canadian Urban Institute: Folks, please change your chat settings to “all panelists and attendees” so everyone can see your comments.

12:43:41          From Keith Richardson to All panelists: I love the term the spectrum of black emotion.

12:43:54          From Eddie Romero to All panelists: San Antonio, Texas – Downtown Public Improvement District is here, listening, thank you.

12:43:55          From Jason Neville: This is so good. Thank you all.

12:44:27          From Jay McGuffin: Thank you Jesse for the reading recommendation, I look forward to the read!

12:44:48          From annie koh: yes!!! #CiteBlackWomen @citeblackwomen on twitter

12:44:53          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: Thank you @Nupur for the 8 min video:)

12:44:56          From Dhanya Rajagopal to All panelists: Very important: academic integration is lacking

12:44:57          From Charles Montgomery: Thank you all for your wisdom and generosity.

12:45:10          From annie koh: (and back to Jay’s point) This is why the current participatory processes in planning are such b.s. Because when emotion is perceived as “irrational” and inappropriate, planners are delegitimizing Black people

12:45:24          From Thea Kurdi: LA Times article and video: How do you sign ‘Black Lives Matter’ in ASL? https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-08/how-do-you-sign-black-lives-matter-in-asl-for-black-deaf-angelenos-its-complicated?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

 

12:45:27          From Kaari Kitawi: Yes, a need for diverse authors and their writings

12:45:30          From Elsa Snyder: Thank you so much for sharing your work and experiences. Grateful to be able to listen and learn from you all.

12:45:52          From Thea Kurdi: Completely agree Orlando! Seen too many occasions of loss of education opportunities with Black issues and other minority groups.

12:45:52          From Andre Darmanin: Keep going Orlando!

12:45:54          From Jay McGuffin: Yes, thank you to all Panelists!

12:45:58          From Leo Doyle to All panelists: Too much of City budget spent on policing. Too much of City recreation budget spent on ice hockey infrastructure. These are examples of systems not being open to changing societies, need for inclusion.

12:46:00          From Danielle Dinunzio: Will the recording of this be put online anywhere for others to watch later?

12:46:14          From Sam Carter-Shamai: “even my conditioning has been conditioned”

12:46:15          From DALIA GEBRAN to All panelists: That’s on point Orlando! It really starts with education…and it’s for all people!

12:46:17          From Sunjay Mathuria: Yuppp.

12:46:23          From Susan Chin: How did having a black planning professional Maurice Cox as Detroit’s Planning Director help in the city?

12:46:27          From Niko Casuncad to All panelists: Yes!! Planning pedagogy needs to change!! We need more BIPOC representation teaching our young city-builders

12:46:30          From Canadian Urban Institute: You can find transcripts and recordings of today’s and all our webinars at https://www.canurb.org/citytalk

12:46:36          From Ailish Farrelly to All panelists: I think realizing how we’ve made racism “politically correct” is something that is slowly being challanged

12:46:42          From Kaari Kitawi: I think it was great the City of Detroit had a talented and acclaimed black architect and planner as the Chief Planner Maurice Cox

12:47:03          From Timothy Papandreou: TAMIKA!

12:47:07          From Sonali Praharaj: yup!

12:47:08          From Candice Leung: It’s also not tamika’s job to give that history lesson. google is free

12:47:09          From Leo Doyle to All panelists: Too much of City budgets spent enabling sprawl housing for “voting class”.

12:47:11          From Kathryn Lennon: Yes, to Orlando’s point. This is an issue. We read no books by Black (or Indigenous or POC) urban thinkers in planning school (UBC SCARP).

12:47:13          From Abdullahi Abdulle to All panelists: YESSSSSSSSSSSS

12:47:15          From Kurtis Pozsgay: Shout out to my first planning professor, June Manning Thomas, FAICP. Blessed to start off my profession with a strong black woman educating me

12:47:15          From Ra’anaa Brown to All panelists: PREACH!!

12:47:16          From Andre Darmanin: Yes Tamika!

12:47:16          From Dulcie Canton to All panelists: TAMIKA!!!!

12:47:18          From Abdullahi Abdulle to All panelists: TRUTH

12:47:21          From Ashita Parekh: 100%

12:47:21          From CARY WESTERBECK: Amen, Tamika.

12:47:23          From Nina Idemudia: Tamika be spittin

12:47:23          From Kelly Vu: yes thanks Orlando! we need to stop prioritizing white space imaginary!

12:47:24          From wajiha ibrahim: YASSSS TAMIKA

12:47:27          From Mary Pustejovsky: YES

12:47:27          From Abdullahi Abdulle to All panelists: FACTSSSSSSS

12:47:28          From annie koh: I helped with an analysis of urban planning syllabi (gathered via the Planners of Color Interest Group within ACSP) and too many syllabi revealed that “race, ethnicity and diversity” is often segregated into its own module or its own course.

12:47:30          From Calvin T. Brown to All panelists: June Manning Thomas…wrote about the black planning experience in Detroit. She has other planning-related readings.

12:47:39          From Fabian Gallardo to All panelists: Yes!!!!!!!

12:47:50          From Eric Claros: Yes Tamika!

12:47:51          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: yess Tamika! pay us our worth!!! free labor is over but the exploitation continues… SMH

12:48:02          From Rachel Zack: This needs to be said! Thank you panelists!

12:48:02          From Sonali Praharaj: On point, Tamika!

12:48:03          From Dulcie Canton to All panelists: 100%

12:48:04          From Sam Carter-Shamai: daaaamn… this is real

12:48:05          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: Their WHITE definition of professionalism

12:48:06          From Timothy Papandreou: So we need to reach out to our Alma mater and ask them what their syllabus looks like? If it’s white only, we need to demand they include diverse authors. As a minimum.

12:48:10          From Tatjana Trebic to All panelists: Thank you. CUI, will it be possible to save and share this chat? Some great resources shared here. Free Zoom accounts don’t seem to let you save the chat.

12:48:12          From Jessica Alba: Ugh, yes, Tamika!

12:48:14          From Rick Thurmond to All panelists: Yes! That’s also when white-led groups decide “you don’t have the capacity.”

12:48:16          From annie koh: @Kurtis Yes! June Manning Thomas!

12:48:22          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: we gotta be disruptors in these corporate spaces!!!! #webuiltthis YESSS

12:48:29          From Lisa Moffatt: Yes @Timothy

12:48:29          From Ward Verschaeve: Perfectly said Tamika!

12:48:31          From Sunjay Mathuria: 100%

12:48:35          From Lisa Moffatt: Yes Tamika!!!

12:48:40          From Daniella Balasal: Speak, sister!

12:48:41          From Krista McLellan to All panelists: Tamika, you are such a gifted communicator.

12:48:48          From Imtiyaz Rahaman: Dame Jocelyn Barrow died April 2020. (UK) – worth knowing about esp. for work on anti-racist awareness and education: https://www.blackhistorymonth.org.uk/article/section/african-history/dame-jocelyn-barrow-more-needs-to-be-done-on-her-lifetime-work-on-racial-and-multi-cultural-awareness/

12:48:50          From Lisa Moffatt: Watch what is happening at SCARP right now…

12:49:01          From Candice Leung: YES

12:49:02          From Kendra Levine: We need to work to extend it beyond planning syllabi and take it to engineering as well.

12:49:02          From Rachel Zack to All panelists: Ugh yes!

12:49:04          From Thea Kurdi: Exactly!!

12:49:05          From Lynn Ross: Yes, yes, yes, yes, and more yes!

12:49:09          From Cheryl Cohen: Exactly!

12:49:10          From Tony Dang: YES

12:49:10          From Diana Chang: YES!!!!

12:49:11          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: 100%!!!!

12:49:11          From Timothy Papandreou: Also demand all Planning/Transpo Orgs-to raise these voices front and center.

12:49:13          From Eric Claros: !!!!!!!!!

12:49:14          From Kelly Rico: YES!!!

12:49:15          From Destiny Laldeo: OMG YES

12:49:15          From Keisha St. Louis-McBurnie: oh my goodness!!!!!!

12:49:16          From Wil Canel: TEA!!!!

12:49:16          From wajiha ibrahim: yesss, June Manning Thomas!!

12:49:23          From Karol Murillo to All panelists: Tamika…truth.

12:49:30          From Emmie Tsumura: YES YES more YES

12:49:37          From Orlando Bailey: Love June Manning Thomas

12:49:37          From Thevishka Kanishkan: Yes! Go Tamika

12:49:38          From Timothy Papandreou: BELIEVE! BELIEVE!

12:49:40          From Mick Malowany: This is so relevant to the push to ensure front line workers are compensated for the invaluable work they do. The racial aspect to that conversation is not always surfaced, but it’s co

12:49:41          From Nina Idemudia: I need this clip posted ASAP so I can send it to some folks

12:49:42          From Dawveed Scully to All panelists: Big facts!!!

12:49:44          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: right!!

12:49:45          From Orlando Bailey: Of University of Michigan

12:49:46          From Mick Malowany: *closely connected

12:49:47          From Ranu Basu to All panelists: Yes

12:49:51          From Rachel Zack to All panelists: Agreed 100%

12:49:51          From Sam Carter-Shamai: YO TAMIKA, GO OFF SISTER IT IS EVERYTHING WE HAVE BEEEEEEN FEELING

12:49:53          From Kurt Reid to All panelists: yes, yes, yes. All of this!!!

12:50:02          From Tecla Van Bussel to All panelists: Show this whole damn webinar at every single planning school

12:50:04          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: facts

12:50:08          From Dulcie Canton to All panelists: Please post this recording ASAP

12:50:10          From Katrina Chaves to All panelists: @Kurtis Pozsgay yes I am so grateful to have the opportunity to have learned from June Manning Thomas!

12:50:10          From Mary Pustejovsky: YES! Thank you Tamika

12:50:10          From Leanne Roderick to All panelists: Yes, Tamika!

12:50:12          From Andre Darmanin: *CLAP*

12:50:13          From Joycelyne Serrano: yesssss do not hold back! do not hold back! SAY IT ALL

12:50:14          From Rachel Zack to All panelists: <3 <3 <3!!!!!

12:50:14          From Jason Neville: Mind blown

12:50:15          From Desi S: Absolutely amazing

12:50:16          From wajiha ibrahim: thank you, Tamika

12:50:18          From Madeline Brozen: Yes, Tamika! connecting with your point “ore than any other group in this country’s history, we have served, generation after generation, in an overlooked but vital role: It is we who have been the perfecters of this democracy.”

12:50:18          From Chiyi Tam: STANDING OVATION

12:50:20          From Ranu Basu to All panelists: Thank YOu!!

12:50:22          From Khulud Baig: YESSS TAMIKA! YES. YES. YES.

12:50:23          From Jason Syvixay: I am 100% here for Tamika’s Ted Talk!

12:50:23          From Trinity Simons: we don’t need brief! we’re loving real!

12:50:24          From Leanne Roderick to All panelists: *stands up*

12:50:24          From Charles Thomas to All panelists: Please please do a part 2 of this conversation!

12:50:27          From Steve Winkelman: Amen

12:50:28          From Carina Cojeen: clap clap thank you!

12:50:29          From Charles Thomas to All panelists: Yes!!

12:50:29          From Eddie Romero to All panelists: Yes please.

12:50:35          From Martyn Schmoll to All panelists: Yes, please. More.

12:50:36          From Samantha Anderson to All panelists: No brief, say it all

12:50:42          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: so here for Tamika’s ted talk!!

12:50:43          From Julie Sommerfreund: Thank you for your honesty and frankness and your fire

12:50:43          From Dena Farsad to All panelists: doesn’t need to be brief…we’ll stay on the call for as long as needed

12:50:43          From Dear Bhokanandh to All panelists: 60 mins is not enough! Much more time deserved

12:50:43          From Keren Tang: I could listen to this all day long (and hello from Treaty 6 territory, Edmonton, AB)!

12:50:43          From Jaime Fearer: yes, yes, yes – thank you!

12:50:45          From Ivy Campbell: screen go dark for anyone else?

12:50:46          From Reza Nik: yessss.,. more of this

12:50:46          From Alexandra Alcorn: This is so amazing. I’m honored to be in the presence of such great minds.

12:50:46          From Genevieve Barber: Yes, please continue the series if you have the energy and inclination.

12:50:47          From Evan Costagliola to All panelists: TAMIKA, SPEAK THAT TRUTH!

12:50:47          From Jamilla Mohamud to All panelists: pls make this a series

12:50:48          From Jessica Alba: oh so necessary!

12:50:49          From Emily Wall, CUI Staff to Tatjana Trebic and all panelists: Hi Tatjana – the chat will be posted along with this video on our CityTalk blog by next week, and we will also publish a list of resources alongside.

12:50:49          From Luke Klipp: Tamika, who cares if it was not brief, you were 100% on point:-) Thank you!

12:50:50          From Ward Verschaeve: Every word she said was valid

12:50:53          From Cail Smith to All panelists: Please! A webinar series and also a book series!

12:50:58          From Ari Agha: I vote for more of these conversations, Canadian Urban Institute, can we make this happen?

12:50:59          From Tamara Nahal: Thank you Tamika

12:51:03          From Marsha Paley: Hello from Burlington, ON. Thank you to the panelists for being open about your experiences. I was taught by my parents that we are all equal and to treat people with respect and kindness. My friends have always been special in their differences (race, backgrounds, age, gender id, religions) and they bring forward as I hope I do to them also. I learned early on, walking and playing with them, that others were not taught to treat people the same. I believe. All lives matter. Stay safe, healthy and hopeful.

12:51:04          From Thevishka Kanishkan: Also @Orlando at UofT we were not assigned a SINGLE reading by a Black woman during the entirety of my masters degree. You are so right.

12:51:09          From annie koh: @timothy I would also recommend thinking through the narratives/logics that are represented in planning curriculum. is planning history only about mumford? is the implication that planning has fixed its “race problem” because we acknowledge that urban renewal and redlining was hella racist? does planning make the “move to innocence” where the racism is safely in the past?

12:51:11          From Mick Malowany: You don’t owe us any time or brevity, take the time to say what needs to to be said, what needs to be heard!

12:51:11          From Andrea Lam: Yes, definitely need to hear more because there are so many voices that have been silenced for so long.

12:51:12          From Thea Kurdi: I’m also interested in how the black disabled community is being included in the Urban Planning conversation and planning

12:51:17          From Lynn Ross: Just stood up and clapped in the home office.

12:51:26          From Martyn Schmoll: Yes. Please do more of these conversations!

12:51:26          From Luke Klipp: YES Lynn:)

12:51:27          From Rachel Stark: Yes – series of conversations! You all are fire! Love all your work. We need this! – from Charlotte, NC

12:51:28          From Jason Neville: @lynnross me too!!

12:51:46          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: “dessert” communities are heartbreaking

12:51:47          From Shagufta Pasta: I hope this conversation is being recorded – it is amazing and much needed

12:51:48          From annie koh: @Thea YES! this is something i shamefully hadn’t centered in my teaching. have been learning from the disability justice movement

12:51:52          From Gina Ford: so many actions to carry from this discussion: thank you all!

12:52:03          From Marjorie Hennessy to All panelists: will this be recorded/archived? I need colleagues not in attendance to hear this

12:52:08          From Darryl Gaston: Visible, Vital, and Valuable !

12:52:09          From Timothy Papandreou: @anniekoh Yes!

12:52:15          From Niko Casuncad to All panelists: #DefundThePolice !!!

12:52:16          From Leigh Stickle: Thanks to all for the resources and time.

12:52:18          From Karol Murillo to All panelists: Playgrounds, being followed in a mall, all of it. This Latina is grateful for all your words.

12:52:18          From Sam Carter-Shamai: all the other services get cut… but not the cops

12:52:19          From Michelle Hoar: You definitely have a series on your hands here! Thanks to all the panelists, learning a ton.

12:52:25          From Marjorie Hennessy to All panelists: Thank you again for preparing, sharing and speaking

12:52:30          From Andre Darmanin: This is more than urban planning/urbanist. This discussion is cross-disciplinary!

12:52:40          From Luke Klipp: Agreed Andre.

12:52:42          From Orlando Bailey: I saw a question regarding Maurice Cox and his tenure in the city of Detroit as Planning Director. Maurice Cox was apart of the system that continued to ignore the excellency and input from Black residents in Detroit. He hired a planning department with no one from the city of Detroit. Mostly from Ivy Leagues. He exuded a level of classism and elitism that did not go over well in our city. He left for Chicago last year.

12:52:43          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: we need to lobby for more health community centres in urban cities

12:52:43          From Lisa Moffatt: YES! The media must do their work!!!

12:52:53          From Udokam Iroegbu: “If you do not listen to alive Black folks, surely, you will not listen to dead ones.” Lutze Segu

12:52:55          From Lorraine Johnson: Thank you to the panelists and moderator!

12:52:57          From Rachel Zack to All panelists: Yes, the system is failing. Thank you Will!

12:52:59          From Ariane Malo-Sauvé to All panelists: as a landscape architect, how can i fight anti-black racism ?

12:53:28          From Shahinaz Eshesh to All panelists: Diversity lacks so much in the planning profession. I am extremely grateful for this webinar to hear the voices of other urbanists that are Black and POC

12:53:30          From Candice Leung: Will’s point is strong. but it goes back to Tamika’s point about simply believing black people. It was black people that made breonna taylor’s murder known.

12:53:30          From Lee Caragiale: You’re all amazing. Thank you for your vulnerability, labour, and time.

12:53:32          From Elena Hernandez to All panelists: amazing panel!! thank you so much

12:53:38          From Lynn Ross: Someone in this chat just said all lives matter and I cannot today.

12:53:49          From Andrea Lam: Yes, police and government are supposed to be doing this work and they don’t want to get sick so sending in community workers in without enough ppe or other supports to do this work instead. Something is very wrong with this picture.

12:53:58          From Sarah König: @Helena Ketema – yes of course, you are totaly right. I didn’t want to say that there aren’t black people in Germany (of course there are), or that there isn’t anti-blackness (of course there ist, sadly). Sorry if that was unclear or I missformulated in any way. The conversation about anti-black racism in Germany and urban/traffic planning here is not strong enough or sometimes not existend at all, cause of the bigger group of migrants (and of german citizens) who aren’t black. And this is so wrong, annoying, terrible …

12:53:58          From S O to All panelists: Thank you panelists for keeping it real, authentic and sincere!

12:53:59          From Steve Winkelman: If you extend this as a series (I hope you do), please give us the option to compensate you for your precious and valuable time and/or donate to your organizations.

12:53:59          From Timothy Papandreou: Also we keep hearing the “system is broken”. It is not broken it is doing exactly what it is designed to do! We must dismantle it.

12:53:59          From Carina Cojeen: wow, Will thank you…

12:54:00          From Canadian Urban Institute: We’re going to keep the chat open for a bit after the webinar. Please feel free to continue to chat, share links and resources after we’re done.

12:54:01          From Andre Darmanin: Who said All lives matter? WOW!

12:54:08          From Sarah Wikle: Thank you all so much for sharing your expertise and experiences with us. Intersectional approaches are so VITAL to the work that we do!!

12:54:20          From Emily Wall, CUI Staff: The video from today’s session, as well as the chat text, and a list of resources will be posted on our CityTalk blog: https://canurb.org/citytalk

12:54:21          From Dena Farsad to All panelists: please let’s have more of this

12:54:24          From Kaari Kitawi: @Orlando Bailey, sorry to hear that. Thanks for providing insight on his tenure at Detroit City Planning

12:54:25          From A Rao to All panelists: Please please make this into a series!

12:54:29          From Tony Dang: if this is going to become a series, everybody on the line who wants this to happen better be ready to put their money where their mouth is to make sure all of the panelists are fairly compensated! tell me where to send some money!

12:54:38          From Jimmy Leiser: je reçois tout ça et vous crois. Un allié

12:54:44          From Mary Pustejovsky: agree @tony

12:54:50          From Seanna Kerr: thank you so much to all the panelists and to you Jay

12:54:53          From Canadian Urban Institute: After the webinar today find us on social #citytalk @canurb

12:54:54          From Matthew Sweet: agree @Tony

12:54:56          From Rebecca Chiu: All lives

12:54:56          From Jean Barrett to All panelists: Racism is so institutionalized and I have eperience that in my professional life. Every year I have to continue to prove myself and I’m doing the work and I excell at but yet again to prove myself on and on just to get pay increase or promotion. With work alongside your colleagues they look at you like youre only here to work and know ur place. They critized us something and our white counterpart can do no worng with flimsy work. Its painful and need to stop

12:54:58          From Theresa O’Neill: Amazing, important, and insightful talk from the panelists (and in this chat). Thank you!

12:54:58          From Liz Nguyen to All panelists: Panelists and Jay…thank you so much/merci beaucoup!

12:54:59          From Doug Bennet: Would like any links around park planning, design, programming and placemaking from Black urban planners, landscape architects, activists… maybe focus of another CUI session?

12:55:01          From Dena Farsad to All panelists: as a planner/planning student/teacher/doctoral student, i can attest to the fact that planning education is racist as fuck

12:55:08          From Arthur Klimowicz to All panelists: Thank you all. I loved listening to you. Please keep up the conversation. Its important.

12:55:09          From Steve Winkelman: yes @Tony Dang

12:55:10          From Maytal Kowalski: @Andre – yes, saw that too, whaaattt???

12:55:15          From Marilyn Cameron to All panelists: Thank you all for your work and for taking the time and energy to share it today.

12:55:16          From Jessica Alba: YES!!!!

12:55:18          From Jenna Dutton: Thanks to all for sharing resources, perhaps CUI and maybe CIP etc. could compile database – as well we need to push for change in academia.

12:55:19          From Michelle Hoar: Yes Tony. I would happily pay to listen to these sessions. You could do a sliding scale to make it accessible.

12:55:21          From Edber: Damn

12:55:21          From Charn Gill: 100% agree with Tony.

12:55:23          From Spencer Myers to All panelists: This has all been amazing and helpful! Thank you Anthonia, Will, Jay, Tamika, and Orlando!

12:55:24          From Timothy Papandreou: Anthonia! YES!!

12:55:26          From Rahul Mehta: YES Anthonia!

12:55:26          From Sam Carter-Shamai: YESSS

12:55:30          From Genevieve Barber: Yes, please let us know how to financially support this series.

12:55:30          From Shane Phillips: Thanks to all of the panelists for your time and labor, here and everywhere

12:55:38          From Bridget Jackson: Would love to see food and health equity be a part this urban planning discussion. Next time!

12:55:39          From Danielle Dredge: Thank you all deeply for your time and insight today!

12:55:48          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: excellent discussion! facts been telling the stories of the streets right! KRS ONE, Common, big daddy Kane!! the list goes on!

12:55:48          From Darnel Harris to All panelists: Amen, A,en.

12:55:52          From Jaime Fearer: yes, tony! (and I miss you!)

12:55:53          From Darnel Harris to All panelists: Aaaaaamen.

12:56:03          From Luke Klipp: I’m really interested in this concept of Black grief in the public space. As a gay man, I’m reminded of the homo-monument in Amsterdam, which memorializes the thousands of gay men who’ve died from HIV/AIDS. Really interested in how urban design can incorporate Black grief in a way that memorializes, validates, and uplifts the Black experience.

12:56:05          From Bridget Jackson: thank you for this much needed discussion

12:56:09          From Andre Darmanin: YES YES YES Anthonia!

12:56:09          From Lisa Moffatt: OMG! Out of scope…

12:56:11          From Udokam Iroegbu: THANK YOU ANTHONIA

12:56:13          From Matthew Davis: Out of scope!!

12:56:15          From Timothy Papandreou: OUT OF SCOPE- How many times….

12:56:16          From Samantha Anderson: YES

12:56:16          From Jessica Alba: THANK YOU!

12:56:17          From Hannelore Yager: More violent compartmentalizing!

12:56:18          From Thompson Nguyen to All panelists: out of scope!!!!!

12:56:18          From Kathryn Lennon: yes. so much this!!!

12:56:20          From Andre Darmanin: I am tired of it!

12:56:20          From Sunjay Mathuria: 100%

12:56:21          From Kyra Savolainen to All panelists: YES

12:56:24          From Sheila Boudreau: right on Anthonia!

12:56:25          From CARY WESTERBECK: I deeply appreciate your willingness to share and have a frank conversation for us to experience. This has been very valuable.

12:56:27          From Diana Chang: @Marsha Paley, now is not the time to talk about all lives mattering

12:56:29          From Sara Udow: YES

12:56:30          From Rachel Stark: Yes!

12:56:31          From Luke Klipp: Yes, 100% Anthonia.

12:56:31          From Sarah Wikle: SAY IT ANTHONIA !!! thank you!!!

12:56:32          From Darnel Harris to All panelists: OUT OF SCOPE- How many times…. Yep.

12:56:32          From Canadian Urban Institute to All panelists: You guys are on fire! I didn’t have a chance to mention this in the sound check, but we’re going to shut down the webinar and keep the chat open. I will turn you into attendees if you’d like to participate in the chat afterwards.

12:56:35          From Jerrica Gilbert: YES Anthonia!!

12:56:37          From Mariela Alfonzo to All panelists: “Out of scope!”

12:56:38          From Thompson Nguyen to All panelists: yes!

12:56:38          From annie koh: @Thevishka not a single Black woman in the syllabus????!!!! (though now I’m thinking thru my grad seminar on community change, i think Alesia Montgomery on Black placemaking in Detroit was the only Black woman I assigned… so, must acknowledge I too have so much work to do)

12:56:39          From Dawveed Scully to All panelists: Anthonia!!!! Shes right on. I watched the Nas documentary yesterday and you can see the direct connection to urban critique and understanding of the conditions.

12:56:39          From David Kyobe to All panelists: Thank you Anthonia 100%

12:56:40          From Doug Bennet: Thanks to the panelists for sharing your stories. Great discussion. Thanks Jay and CUI.

12:56:41          From Sara Udow: THANK YOU! It is so amazing to hear from you. For white planners – we need to see this as a white issue (the problems we’ve caused/are causing) that we need to deal with and change. This is not only a black issue we need to empathize with. White people need to recognize our internalized racism. We need to listen. And we need to WORK to change. Not except free work. We need to WORK. And integrate equity in ALL our work.

12:56:41          From Rachel Zack to All panelists: Yes Anthonia!

12:56:42          From Amanda Kennedy: Thank you much, Jay & panelists.

12:56:44          From Evanne Holloway: Thank you Anthonia, Will, Tamika, Orlando and Jay!

12:56:44          From Khulud Baig: Anthonia – SO TRUE. City of Ottawa is guilty of this RIGHT NOW. AS WE TALK

12:56:45          From Calvin T. Brown: So true!!

12:56:47          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: its not a side dish conversation!

12:56:49          From Owen Bloor to All panelists: Thank you all so much for sharing your personal experiences

12:56:49          From Rachel Zack to All panelists: It’s so maddening!

12:56:51          From Jennifer Malzer: Everyone on this call must form an army. BLM is longer out of scope.

12:56:52          From Kendra Levine: Yes Anthonia!!!!

12:56:53          From Carina Cojeen: Too bad this cannot go on. THANK you all for your time.

12:56:53          From Elyssa Pompa: This was incredible. Thank you!!

12:56:53          From LEELA Viswanathan: YES, Anthonia!!

12:56:54          From Spencer Myers to All panelists: Planning groups often pull real problems into abstraction and pull out the material teeth of the issue.

12:56:54          From Thea Kurdi: All of this was brilliant

12:56:55          From Omo Iserhienrhien to All panelists: “We are not challenging the professionals to talk about equity”

12:57:08          From Effie Spanos: Yes! Anthonia

12:57:10          From Darnel Harris to All panelists: Not a single black anyone in my 4 years

12:57:13          From Joe Arruda: passion

12:57:14          From Melissa McEnroe to All panelists: would love this to be an ongoing series! thank you so much for this conversation

12:57:14          From Ellen McDermott: Thank you Jay, Tamika, Anthonia, Orlando, and Will.

12:57:15          From Sunjay Mathuria: Yup!

12:57:16          From Laura Shantz to All panelists: Thank you to Anthonia, Will, Tamika, Orlando and Jay for your time, expertise and your willingness to share. I’ve learned a lot today.

12:57:24          From Jason Neville: Will the recording be available?

12:57:25          From Andre Darmanin: HEy @Jesse/Kate. Western needs an equity course and black professor in the MPA program.

12:57:25          From Rachel Zack to All panelists: Jay – you are an incredible moderator. It must be said!

12:57:26          From Juliana Feng: Sending lots of love, appreciation to all the panelists for making BLM voices heard and stay loud! Learned so much. Thank You.

12:57:27          From Rajesh Sankat to All panelists: “Kindly step out of the way.” yessssa

12:57:36          From Sam Carter-Shamai: so much love!

12:57:40          From Laura Shantz: Thank you to Anthonia, Will, Tamika, Orlando and Jay for your time, expertise and your willingness to share. I’ve learned a lot today.

 

12:57:40          From Dena Farsad to All panelists: so true

12:57:41          From Sonali Praharaj: Thankyou all!

12:57:45          From Timothy Papandreou: YES

12:57:51          From Ashita Parekh: Thank you to all the panelists!!! This was more than amazing

12:57:52          From Barb Chamberlain: 23-hour teach-in coming up next week on anti-racist urban planning https://thrivancegroup.com/unurbanist

12:57:55          From Paula M.A. Campkin to All panelists: This was a great session. I work in occupational health and safety. So happy I can across this webinar. Thank you!

12:57:57          From Todd Scott: Thanks for sharing and making these invaluable, insightful conversation.

12:57:57          From Sam Carter-Shamai: so much gratitude

12:57:59          From annie koh: omg yes lift up Black people who have been working on this, don’t exploit this moment

12:57:59          From Mitchell Reardon: thank you, everyone. Your closing points are extremely strong. Especially Tamika and Anthonia.

12:57:59          From Rajesh Sankat to All panelists: thank you all for this incredible and radically honest panel!

12:58:05          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: yess relationship and respect!!!

12:58:05          From Roger Keil: Humbling and inspiring. Thanks, Jay, and all panelists. This was so necessary.

12:58:08          From Timothy Papandreou: Relationship and respect.

12:58:11          From Steve Krysak to All panelists: – stay in your lane. Don’t get into this work because it’s an opportunity. Sure, collaborate, but do not take advantage of this. Proceed with respect and relationships you already have.

12:58:12          From Darnel Harris to All panelists: So true Jay.

12:58:13          From Andre Darmanin: @barb. I signed up for that event!

12:58:19          From Owen Bloor: Appreciate everything each of you have brought to the rest of us today

12:58:19          From Jackson Chabot to All panelists: Go Jay!

12:58:22          From annie koh: @barb !!! yes! also hello!

12:58:26          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: no is a powerful word

12:58:35          From Petra Laptiste to All panelists: I definitely agree!

12:58:39          From David Wachsmuth: Thank you very much to all the panelists. Incredibly powerful conversation.

12:58:46          From Sunjay Mathuria: Thanks so much to Jay and all the panelists.

12:58:47          From joanna delos reyes: Thank you Jay for holding this space and everyone envolved in the panel for your realness, wisdom and energy !!! <3

12:58:51          From Emily Wall, CUI Staff: Please help CUI improve its CityTalk programming with a short survey – https://bit.ly/3haXggc

12:58:52          From Niko Casuncad: YESSSS

12:58:56          From Kelly Rico: YES, Jay!!

12:58:56          From selam eyob to All panelists: thank you so much!

12:58:57          From Stephanie Bulhoes: Thank you for sharing and for having this conversation and allowing us to partake. Thank you!

12:58:58          From Meika Weiss: Thank you all for this. So grateful for the opportunity to listen in on this conversation.

12:59:00          From Thompson Nguyen to All panelists: thank you so much!

12:59:01          From Rachel Zack: YES!

12:59:02          From Sam Carter-Shamai: double excellent – for real for real

12:59:04          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: facts!!!!!

12:59:06          From MElissa Guerrero to All panelists: yesssssssssss!

12:59:07          From Edward Whitley to All panelists: Thank you!

12:59:08          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: double excellence

12:59:09          From Jean Barrett to All panelists: YES

12:59:10          From Petra Laptiste to All panelists: Thank you Jay!

12:59:11          From Barb Chamberlain: So much brilliance. Thank you for giving us these moments.

12:59:12          From Margaret Edwards to All panelists: Brava.

12:59:15          From Orlando Bailey to Ariane Malo-Sauvé and all panelists: Ariane you should connect with Black folks in the cities that you are designing in. And actively engage in participatory design. We have ideas that are valid and rooted in our experiences. You’ll find that a lot of us (not all) have adverse reactions to very sterile and squared design. I personally see design as Jazz. It’s improvisational in nature. It’s not a straight line but a zig zag.

12:59:16          From Tim Shah: Thank you very much for this powerful conversation.

12:59:16          From Joanna Crispe to All panelists: Thanks to all of you for the double excellent discussion today!

12:59:16          From Timothy Papandreou: double excellence!!

12:59:17          From Mariela Alfonzo to All panelists: Double excellence!!

12:59:21          From Caroline Dobuzinskis to All panelists: Expertise + lived experience = Priceless

12:59:23          From Jessica Brown: *snaps* Black Excellence!!

12:59:24          From Rahul Mehta: Thank you Jay. Every word.

12:59:27          From Rebecca Chiu: Thank you everyone! This is such an amazing conversation and so important to directly be called out on how the industry has contributed to harm. Looking forward to sharing the recording with my colleagues.

12:59:30          From Karol Murillo to All panelists: You are all beautiful humans…stay safe and much love from Canada!

12:59:32          From Anne Marie Aikins: thank you again for hosting this webinar. brilliant so brilliant and powerful

12:59:32          From Nicole Swerhun: Thank you thank you. This is so appreciated. Relationship and respect. Excellence. Yes, we’re all in this together differently.

12:59:36          From Maggie Hall to All panelists: that is a beautiful summation, “no need to compromise excellence for inclusion” . incredible!

12:59:42          From Timothy Papandreou: THANK YOU!!

12:59:42          From Caroline Dobuzinskis to All panelists: Thank you for this.

12:59:43          From Rob Sadowsky to All panelists: Much gratitude. Thank you.

12:59:43          From James McCallan: Thank you!

12:59:45          From Katrina Chaves to All panelists: @Orlando Bailey I worked for the City during Maurice’s tenure (for a different department) and worked closely with his planning team. There were employees from out of state and Ivy Leagues yes but there were also Detroiters on the staff, and many folks who were engaged with Black residents and genuinely wanted their input and collaboration in the city building / planning work we did. I would be interested in discussing more if you’re open.

12:59:47          From Reza Nik: thank you all –

12:59:48          From Nicole Coutinho: YES!

12:59:49          From Thevishka Kanishkan: @Annie no. Literally not a single one. Also we have no permanent Black faculty members at the Daniels Faculty of Architecture at UofT.

12:59:49          From Shilpa Dogra to All panelists: Love all of this. Thank you so much!!!

12:59:50          From Andre Darmanin: Let’s continue this conversation people!

12:59:50          From Yvonne Bambrick: Thank you very much Anthonia, Will, Tamika, Orlando and Jay! Glad to be with you all today and appreciate your time and experience.

12:59:51          From Katy Lang: Thank you, thank you. Thank you.

12:59:51          From Sara Udow: THANK YOU!

12:59:52          From Liz Thorstensen to All panelists: Thank you so much!

12:59:52          From Pauline Berry: This was an incredible panel. Thank you Anthonia, Jay, Will, Tamika, and Orlando for sharing your experiences, openly and vulnerably. I am so grateful to have had the opportunity to listen and learn.

12:59:54          From joanna delos reyes: Best panel I have attended lately !

12:59:55          From Roxanne Earley to All panelists: Thank you thank you thank you for time and your expertise

12:59:55          From MElissa Guerrero to All panelists: double excellent and on time!!!! extra impressive! per usual!

12:59:55          From Kate Cockburn: Thank you so much for sharing your experiences.

12:59:56          From Louis Conway to All panelists: thank you

12:59:56          From Andy Thomson to All panelists: omg seriously I love you all.

12:59:56          From Jill Wigle to All panelists: Thank you very much, great panel and discussion.

12:59:56          From Emma West: Thank you all!!!

12:59:56          From Brittney Smith: Thank you, thank you thank you!!!!

12:59:56          From Claudia Sanchez: Thank you thank you thank you. This was an incredible opportunity.

12:59:56          From Petra Laptiste: Yes!!

12:59:57          From Daphne Lundi: Amen!!!

12:59:57          From Doolin O’Reilly: Thank-you (from London UK)

12:59:57          From Andrea Grebenc: Thank you for organizing this.

12:59:57          From Chiyi Tam: If you ARE going to hire BIPOC, do not hire someone to be the only one in the room. That shit is damaging and exhausting, if youare gonna hire BIPOC, HIRE MANY.

12:59:58          From Eric Turcotte to All panelists: Thank You!

12:59:58          From annie koh: coming up this Friday: “COVID-19, Racism and Delivery Justice” http://www.untokening.org/webinars

12:59:59          From Jean Barrett to All panelists: AMEN

12:59:59          From Alexandra Lambropoulos to All panelists: Thank you very much for all of the knowledge and experience that you have shared today!:)

13:00:00          From Udokam Iroegbu: PERFECTION!!!!!!! STANDING OVATION

13:00:00          From Haley Anderson to All panelists: Thank you all! Sending love to you Anthonia <3

13:00:00          From Natalie Tate: Thank you all so much!

13:00:00          From Susan Chin: Thank you for this very honest discussion!

13:00:01          From Kavita Dogra to All panelists: Grateful that I was able to listen to all the panelists today. Thank you Jay, as always for facilitating a meaningful conversation and helping me learn. To all panelists, thank you for your honesty and for sharing your knowledge.

13:00:01          From Herleen Arora to All panelists: This was the best zoom webinar I have been to!!!

13:00:01          From Skye Sturm to All panelists: Thank you so much for this very important conversation.

13:00:01          From shaun.darragh: Thank-you all!

13:00:01          From Dionne Co: Thank you Jay, Tamika, Anthonia, Orlando and Will!

13:00:02          From Melissa Daniel to All panelists: yass!!

13:00:02          From James Chan: Much gratitude to all the panelists and everyone who is here listening and learning. Heartened to see educators, city builders, and policymakers from my current and previous hometowns here today.

13:00:02          From Jayne Engle: Outstanding session and care! Thank you Jay, Will, Anthony, Tamika, Orlando!

13:00:02          From Jackson Foster: Thank you all so much! This was awesome.

13:00:02          From Khulud Baig: Thank you, Jay, Anthonia, Will, Tamika and Orlando!

13:00:03          From Alessandra Massaro: Thank you for allowing me to listen to this important conversation. You are all brilliant!

13:00:03          From Tyler Golly to All panelists: Thank you everyone for sharing your candid stories. It was very powerful.

13:00:03          From Marjorie Hennessy to All panelists: Thank you for this. All of you.

13:00:03          From Kevin Bridgman to All panelists: honoured to listen to you. thank you!

13:00:03          From Mark McNulty to All panelists: Thank you all so much

13:00:03          From Alice Ming Wai Jim: xoxoxo

13:00:03          From Kurt Reid: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you for this conversation and sharing your knowledge.

13:00:04          From Daniella Balasal: Thank you for this!

13:00:04          From Claire Barten: Thank you so much. so much love

13:00:04          From Mark Guslits: Thanks Jay, and all the panellists.

13:00:04          From Calvin T. Brown: This was wonderful! Thank you for providing this safe, black, urbanist space!!!

13:00:04          From Kevin Fraser: Thank you all for sharing your brilliance and passion. I appreciate the opportunity to witness this!

13:00:05          From Howard Brown to All panelists: thank you for your words and times panelists. Very revealing of Canada and our culture when we look at it through your black lens and experience. Hope to take these lessons with me into the world around me

13:00:05          From Steve Krysak to All panelists: Thank you!

13:00:05          From Camille Guiriba to All panelists: BEST PANEL EVER

13:00:05          From Rae A to All panelists: So much excellence in this space. Thank you!

13:00:05          From Oriana Nanoa: Thank you so much!

13:00:06          From Hannah Miller: Thank you all!

13:00:06          From Farida Rady: Thank you all for this.

13:00:06          From Eric Claros: thank you

13:00:06          From Gelila Mekonnen: Amazing

13:00:06          From Isobel Goddard: wow, thank you!

13:00:06          From Luke Klipp: THANK YOU

13:00:06          From Timothy Papandreou: NO JUSTICE NO PEACE

13:00:06          From Erika Morgan to All panelists: Thank you so much for your time and energy to share your experiences and insighs.

13:00:06          From Christine Chea to All panelists: Amazing, thank you!!!

13:00:06          From Rozina Spinnoy to All panelists: Thank you for this session it was excellent. Rozina, Brussels

13:00:06          From Tecla Van Bussel to All panelists: 🔥

13:00:06          From Mari Fujita to All panelists: thank you so much. so inspiring!

13:00:06          From Kristy Jackson: Thank you!

13:00:07          From Michael Rac: amen

13:00:07          From Sarah McMurtry to All panelists: Thank you so much !

13:00:07          From Dena Farsad to All panelists: amazing

13:00:07          From Mariela Alfonzo to All panelists: Please, and thank you!!!

13:00:07          From Resie Manga to All panelists: Enjoyed this panel! Thank you so much!

13:00:07          From Alexa Atherly: This was absolutely amazing. Thank you so much!

13:00:07          From Candice Leung: THANK YOU

13:00:08          From Charles Thomas to All panelists: Powerful conversation! Thank you all

13:00:08          From Kellie to All panelists: Yes. From Toronto!

13:00:08          From Darnel Harris to All panelists: thanks

13:00:08          From Anne to All panelists: thank you!

13:00:08          From Jaclyn Silbernagel: Thank you!!

13:00:08          From Gwenevere Shaw: I can’t say thank you enough to all panelists! You’re amazing!

13:00:08          From Lisa Moffatt: MIC DROP!

13:00:08          From Andrew Stokes: Thank you!

13:00:08          From Hannelore Yager: Thank you!

13:00:08          From Pia Dimayuga: YES

13:00:08          From annie koh: mahalo!!!! thank you!

13:00:09          From Elizabeth MacLeod to All panelists: Thank you all

13:00:09          From Karen Diaz to All panelists: <33333

13:00:09          From Carina Cojeen: woo hoo

13:00:09          From Julie Sommerfreund: Thank you

13:00:09          From Eric Dasmalchi: Thanks you all

13:00:09          From Samantha Anderson: Amazing amazing amazing

13:00:09          From Deanne Mighton: Thank you so much for you time and shared knowledge this was excellent, I hope it’s shared widely.

13:00:09          From Deborah Murphy: powerful

13:00:09          From Cameil McLennon to All panelists: Great job!!

13:00:09          From Jody Liu to All panelists: thank you!

13:00:09          From Amber Crawford to All panelists: Thank you so much.

13:00:09          From Angela Moores to All panelists: THANK YOU

13:00:09          From Yasamin El Borai to All panelists: Thank you all for your time and this conversation

13:00:09          From Telina Debly: Thank you!!

13:00:09          From Dionne Co: wish you well <3

13:00:09          From Keisha St. Louis-McBurnie: thank you thank you thank you

13:00:09          From Pamela Haskell: Thank you for this!

13:00:09          From Clarissa Chen: Thank you

13:00:09          From Joycelyne Serrano: yessssss

13:00:10          From Leah Lanteigne to All panelists: Amazing. Thanks so much.

13:00:10          From Huma Husain to All panelists: Thank you!!!!

13:00:10          From Chelsea Krahn to All panelists: Thank you

13:00:10          From Karen New: Thank you so much, to all of you.

13:00:10          From Rahul Mehta: THANK YOU so much!

13:00:10          From David Wachsmuth: THANK YOU

13:00:10          From Jill Stoner: Thank yOU!

13:00:10          From Reza Nik: wowwwwwwwww!

13:00:10          From Anna Kostecka: Thank you!

13:00:10          From Jo-Anne: Thank you!!!

13:00:10          From Elsa Snyder: Thank you this was amazing

13:00:10          From Jason Neville: BRAVO THANK YOU

13:00:10          From Petra Laptiste: THANK YOU ALL!

13:00:10          From Mary Pustejovsky: Thank you

13:00:10          From Antointte: Thank you!!!

13:00:10          From Thea Kurdi: Thank you

13:00:10          From Eli Glazier: Thank you all!

13:00:11          From Krista Eichenbaum to All panelists: Thank you all for this.

13:00:11          From Herleen Arora to All panelists: Thank you

13:00:11          From Zeina to All panelists: Thank you so much!

13:00:11          From Michelle Kearns: thank you!!

13:00:11          From Mandhan Sneha: Thank you so much!

13:00:11          From Alexandra Alcorn: amazing. thank you.

13:00:11          From Sam Carter-Shamai: THAAANK YOU!

13:00:11          From Lisa Moffatt: Thank you!!!!

13:00:11          From Jacqueline Hamilton: Thank you!!!!

13:00:12          From Ishani W to All panelists: wow

13:00:12          From Mariela Alfonzo to All panelists: amazing

13:00:12          From Mashael Majid: salaam from los angeles. sending radical love, solidarity, and gratitude to all our speakers! this is everything— thank you!

13:00:12          From Trinity Simons: excellent excellent excellent!!!!!

13:00:12          From Émélie Desrochers-Turgeon: Thank you

13:00:12          From Jimmy Leiser: Bravo merci

13:00:12          From John Harlow: Thank you!

13:00:12          From Nick Herder to All panelists: thank you infinitely

13:00:12          From Dena Farsad to All panelists: THANK YOU

13:00:12          From Levi Mullan to All panelists: Thank you all

13:00:12          From Loryssa Q to All panelists: Thank you!!!

13:00:12          From Jennifer Bartlett: THANK YOU!

13:00:12          From Cathy DeLuca: wow

13:00:13          From Lorina Hoxha to All panelists: thank you!

13:00:13          From Robin Binder to All panelists: THANK YOU THANK YOU

13:00:13          From Steve Coutts to All panelists: Thank you Jay!!

13:00:13          From Kelly Rico: THANK YOU!!!!

13:00:13          From Josephine Guan: thank you!

13:00:13          From Carrie Modi: Thank you!

13:00:13          From Sydney Truesdale: Thank you!!

13:00:13          From Conor DeSantis: Amazing talk! Thank you!

13:00:13          From Danielle Kerrigan: Thank you eveyrone!

13:00:13          From Miranda Adams: Thank you so much!

13:00:14          From Hannah Neagle to All panelists: Thank you! Thank you!!!

13:00:14          From Thompson Nguyen to All panelists: that was excellent

13:00:14          From Jorge Madrid to All panelists: 🔥❤️🙌🏾

13:00:14          From Ariane Malo-Sauvé to All panelists: thank you sooooo much

13:00:14          From Adrian Phillips to All panelists: thank you !

13:00:14          From Allison O’Connor to All panelists: AMAZING!!!!!!

13:00:14          From Lauren Craik: Thank you all so much

13:00:14          From Michael Rac: <3

13:00:14          From Rida Khan: Thank you

13:00:14          From Lauren An: Thank you

13:00:14          From Blair Smith: Thank you!

13:00:15          From Kalen Anderson to All panelists: thank-you!

13:00:15          From Steve Paikin to All panelists: Well said Jay. Outstanding.

13:00:15          From Elyse Clinning to All panelists: Thank you!

13:00:15          From Lyndsey Clouatre: Thank you!!!

13:00:15          From Thevishka Kanishkan: THANK YOU SO MUCH

13:00:15          From Lavan Siva: Thank you

13:00:15          From Evanne Holloway: !!!!!!!!

13:00:15          From Sarah Wikle: Thank you!

13:00:16          From Karen Parolek to All panelists: thank you thank you thank you

13:00:16          From Riann Lognon to All panelists: <3

13:00:16          From Keltie McLaren to All panelists: Thank you!

13:00:16          From Giulio Cescato to All panelists: thank you everyone. humbling.

13:00:16          From Nazanin Ghaffari to All panelists: Thank You!

13:00:16          From Barbara Gray to All panelists: thank you

13:00:16          From Emma Jones to All panelists: Thank you so much!!

13:00:16          From Andrea Grebenc: When will this be posted?

13:00:16          From Grace Candy: Thank you!

13:00:16          From Evelyne Bouchard: Thank you so much!!!!

13:00:16          From Michael Maddigan: Thank you

13:00:16          From Omo Iserhienrhien to All panelists: No Justice no peace!! wow thank you so muchhhh

13:00:16          From Melissa Fundira to All panelists: no justice, no peace!

13:00:16          From Natalie Corbo to All panelists: best panel I’ve seen, thank you so much

13:00:16          From Shannon Hawke: Thank you!

13:00:16          From Daniel Fusca: Thank you!

13:00:16          From Cynthia Wilkey: fantastic conversation!!!!

13:00:16          From Will Curran-groome: Thank you all!

13:00:17          From Nina Idemudia: Thank you!!

13:00:17          From Theresa O’Neill: holyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!! *clap* *cap* *clap*

13:00:17          From Anson Ma: Thank you so much for this!

13:00:17          From Sheila Boudreau: amazing – thanks again xo

13:00:17          From mfazio: Well Said Jay!

13:00:17          From Tricia: Thank for speaking today!

13:00:17          From Mirella Palermo to All panelists: Thank-you!

13:00:17          From Amanda Chong to All panelists: AMAZING!!

13:00:17          From Chloe Dace to All panelists: Thank YOU!!

13:00:17          From Anne to All panelists: incredible talk

13:00:17          From Stephanie Malcher: Thank you thank you thank you.

13:00:17          From Effie Spanos: Thank you!

13:00:17          From Pablo Munoz: Thank you

13:00:17          From Alyssa Madrasto: Thank you!

13:00:17          From Natasha Basacchi: Thank you!!

13:00:17          From Joycelyne Serrano: THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUU

13:00:17          From Annie Yang: Thank you all!

13:00:18          From Shaun Smakal to All panelists: Thank you.

13:00:18          From Clare Dolan to All panelists: Thank you so much!

13:00:18          From Tim Trujillo to All panelists: THANK YOU!

13:00:18          From Jason Desando to All panelists: Thank you all for sharing

13:00:18          From Sam Carter-Shamai: MERCI

13:00:18          From Kristen Gagnon: Thank you thank you!

13:00:18          From Paul Arkilander: Thank you!

13:00:18          From Thea Kurdi: Thank you!

13:00:18          From Erin Ishizaki: !!!!!

13:00:18          From Katie Roberts: Thank you!

13:00:19          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: amazing

13:00:19          From Arij Elmi to All panelists: Incredible!

13:00:19          From Kiley Goyette to All panelists: Thank you ‘3

13:00:19          From Blair Satterfield to All panelists: Amazing

13:00:19          From Tiffany Swift to All panelists: wow! thank you

13:00:19          From Mel Laine to All panelists: Thank you.

13:00:19          From Tatjana Trebic to All panelists: Thank you so much to all panelists. For every single thing said.

13:00:19          From Jerreck Connors: thank you!

13:00:19          From Dulcie Canton to All panelists: thank you

13:00:19          From Morena Hernandez to All panelists: Thank You!!!

13:00:19          From Nathan Rogers: Thank you!!!!!!!

13:00:19          From Bronwyn Neufeld: Thank you very much !

13:00:19          From Yasmin Al-Samarrai: Incredible, thankyou so much from Toronto

13:00:19          From Emily Upper: I have goosebumps.

13:00:19          From LEELA Viswanathan: Thank you SOOO much!

13:00:20          From Pelin Yeter to All panelists: THANK YOU!

13:00:20          From Charles Thomas to All panelists: Do this again!!

13:00:20          From Ken Fukushima to All panelists: THANK YOU!

13:00:20          From Fabian Gallardo to All panelists: THANK YOU FOLKS!!!!!

13:00:20          From Tammy Nguyen to All panelists: Thank you!

13:00:20          From Hau Hagedorn to All panelists: Amazing!! Thank you!!

13:00:20          From Meg Merritt to All panelists: MUCHAS GRACIAS> MERCI> THANK YOU!

13:00:20          From Lynn Ross: incredible! thank you!

13:00:20          From Jason Syvixay: Incredible.

13:00:20          From Christine Yachouh: Thank you all!

13:00:20          From Emmie Tsumura: Thank you so much

13:00:20          From Danielle Lenarcic Biss: Thank you so very much for this

13:00:21          From Corey Bialek to All panelists: Thank you, panel.

13:00:21          From Andy Thomson to All panelists: That was …… amazing. Thank you

13:00:21          From Laura Loney to All panelists: Thank you!!

13:00:21          From David Rifkind to All panelists: thank you!

13:00:21          From LoriAnn Girvan: Thank you – so generous.

13:00:21          From Jennifer Malzer: Thank you.

13:00:21          From Jennifer Brown: THANK YOU SO MUCH!

13:00:21          From Laura Lebel-Pantazopoulos: Thank you

13:00:21          From Tracy McMillan: Thank you, so powerful.

13:00:21          From Michelle Hoar: Brilliant!

13:00:21          From Kristin Smith: THANK YOU!!!!

13:00:21          From Tom Bellino to All panelists: Thank you all! <3

13:00:21          From Camille Chabrol to All panelists: Thank you so much!!!

13:00:21          From Denise Ng to All panelists: thank you for the session!! this is amazing.

13:00:21          From reema khanna to All panelists: thank you!

13:00:21          From Preethi Anbalagan: Thank you!!!

13:00:21          From Kendra Levine: Thank you for such a powerful morning!

13:00:22          From Andrea Oakunsheyld (she/her) to All panelists: Thank you!!!!!

13:00:22          From Rachel Zack to All panelists: This was fantastic thank you!!

13:00:22          From Anthony Okuchi to All panelists: Thank you for the experience to learn

13:00:22          From Nina Idemudia: This was amazing

13:00:22          From Justin Matthews: thank you!!!!!

13:00:22          From Reva Quam: Thank you so much!

13:00:22          From Graham Haines: thank you!

13:00:22          From David Gajer: Will this be recorded and sent out? Thank you!

13:00:22          From Michael Sakalauskas: Thank you all

13:00:22          From Chiyi Tam: WOWOWOW Wish there was another hour

13:00:22          From Trevor Jenkins: Thank you so much.

13:00:22          From Sandra Hallig: Thank you so much for your beautiful words!!

13:00:22          From Elizabeth Pagliacolo: Thank you so much! This was incredible

13:00:22          From Shane Laptiste: Thank you!

13:00:23          From Tiffany Swift to All panelists: please do more!

13:00:23          From Heidi Schallberg to All panelists: I look forward to the series Jay mentioned this should be!

13:00:23          From Spencer Myers to All panelists: Thank you!!!

13:00:23          From Erin Gillespie to All panelists: thank you!

13:00:23          From Shannon Simonds to All panelists: thank you all

13:00:23          From Michael Rac: Thank you !

13:00:23          From Ramzy Bejjani: Thank you all so much!

13:00:23          From Vrinda Bhardwaj: this was so powerful!! thank you!!

13:00:24          From Ken McLeod to All panelists: Thank You!

13:00:24          From Sean Vienna to All panelists: Thank you all!!!!

13:00:24          From Olivia Siller: Thank you so much!

13:00:24          From Ray Lister: Thank you so much for those great closing words, Jay!

13:00:24          From Jaime Fearer: Thank you all so much!

13:00:24          From Larissa Jarvis: Thank you!

13:00:24          From Kyra Savolainen to All panelists: Thank you so much for your work today

13:00:24          From Lorraine Johnson: Amazing and wonderful!! Thank you!!

13:00:24          From Jessica Alba: WOW

13:00:25          From Christian Parr to All panelists: thank you!

13:00:25          From jasmine mohamed: Thank you

13:00:25          From Jerrica Gilbert: Thank you so much to all the panelists today, this was such an amazing discussion!! You are all wonderful human beings

13:00:26          From Maisha Barnett to All panelists: We need more time

13:00:26          From Samantha Toffolo to All panelists: Thank you to Jay Pitter and all the panelists!

13:00:26          From Dakota Wares-Tani to All panelists: THANK YOU

13:00:26          From Peggy Lee to All panelists: THANK YOU – NO JUSTICE NO PEACE

13:00:26          From Allison Tam to All panelists: Thank you!!

13:00:27          From Azar Davis to All panelists: Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. I hope this is the first of a series!

13:00:27          From Emily Huser to All panelists: Thank you!

13:00:27          From Francesca Allodi-Ross: Thank you to all the panelists. This was amazing.

13:00:27          From Leah Perrin: Thank you!!!

13:00:27          From Jen Sapkowski to All panelists: Thank you all

13:00:27          From Leanne Dospital to All panelists: No justice, no peace! Thank you!

13:00:27          From Andre Darmanin: 2000!

13:00:28          From Taylor Chiu: Thank you all for this!!

13:00:28          From Alene Sen: thank you, this has been insightful

13:00:28          From Meghan Doucette: Thank you so much to Jay and all of the panelists

13:00:29          From Jennifer Mallard to All panelists: THANK YOU!!!

13:00:29          From Jing Qiu to All panelists: it’s powerful

13:00:29          From James Nguyen: Thanks you so much for the opportunity to learn and hear your stories!!

13:00:29          From Swarndeep Gill: Thank you! N

13:00:30          From Jessica Alba: Thank you!

13:00:30          From Richard Campbell: Thanks!!!

13:00:30          From Alex Smiciklas: Thank you all so much!

13:00:30          From Patrice Desdunes: AMAZING!! KILLED IT JAY

13:00:30          From Safeeya Faruqui to All panelists: I’m so grafeful

13:00:30          From Laura Villalba to All panelists: THANKYOU!!!!

13:00:30          From Vivian Gomes to All panelists: WOW!!!!!!!

13:00:30          From Brandon Leal: Thank you so much

13:00:31          From Siobhan Sweeny to All panelists: THANK YOU JAY PITTER!!

13:00:31          From Lori Flowers to All panelists: Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge with us.

13:00:31          From Cail Smith to All panelists: Thank you all for being here during this difficult time.

13:00:31          From Mark Romeril: Thank you. Such a blessing. Such a gift

13:00:31          From Aaron Snider: Thank you from Winnipeg!

13:00:31          From Taylor Varro: Thank you!!

13:00:32          From Jing Qiu to All panelists: thank you

13:00:32          From Suzanne Bennett to All panelists: thank you so much for sharing your time and insights with us all!

13:00:32          From Karen Schulman Dupuis to All panelists: Brilliance….

13:00:32          From Safeeya Faruqui to All panelists: thank you

13:00:32          From Christopher Hawthorne: thank you!!

13:00:33          From Debi Croucher to All panelists: Thank you

13:00:33          From Jim Brown to All panelists: Worth every second. THANK YOU

13:00:33          From Alma Leyva to All panelists: that was amazing!!!

13:00:33          From Margarita Parra: Thanks!!!!

13:00:33          From Alicia Richins: *standing ovation*

13:00:33          From Abigail Doerr to All panelists: Thank you!!

13:00:33          From Hima Batavia to All panelists: Thank you is not enough

13:00:33          From Lindsay Stroud to All panelists: thank you all so much!!!

13:00:33          From Lisa Moffatt: TAKE THAT NAP!!!

13:00:33          From Stella Yip: Thank you!!!

13:00:34          From Charlotte Roscoe to All panelists: Thank you

13:00:34          From Colin Bogart to All panelists: Thank you!!

13:00:34          From Tamara Nahal: Thank you everyone

13:00:34          From Amy Norris: Thank you Thank you

13:00:34          From Janine Debanne to All panelists: Thank you so much

13:00:34          From Stephen Raitz to All panelists: Thank you

13:00:34          From Tesicca Truong to All panelists: Thank you so much!!!!

13:00:35          From Michelle Jones: Thank you!

13:00:35          From Robin Aksu to All panelists: Thank you so much for your time and the conversation!

13:00:35          From Safeeya Faruqui to All panelists: can we do another one

13:00:35          From Dechen Gonnot to All panelists: Thank you!

13:00:36          From Sandra Hallig: So, So thankful to listen in.

13:00:36          From Trish Campbell: thank you to all panelists for sharing and speaking your truth – THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!!

13:00:36          From Dan seljak: Thank you all!!!

13:00:37          From Jeannie Park to All panelists: Powerful – thank you.

13:00:37          From Rachel Stark: Thank you!

13:00:37          From Jodie Church: Thank you all so much – an amazing conversation and a privilege to listen.

13:00:37          From Charlene Cressman: THANK YOU!

13:00:37          From Lorraine Johnson: Yes to a series!

13:00:38          From Hilary vaillancourt to All panelists: Thank you so much everyone!!!

13:00:38          From Elizabeth Bisegna to All panelists: thank you

13:00:38          From Chun Kong Yuen to All panelists: Thank you

13:00:38          From Jason Neville: I’M DEAD

13:00:39          From Michelle Grandy to All panelists: Thank you for your time and knowledge.

13:00:39          From Valeriia Valchuk to All panelists: thank you!

13:00:39          From Jamilla Mohamud to All panelists: THANK YOU ALL

13:00:39          From Brent Wilson to All panelists: Thank you so much!

13:00:39          From Andre Boudreaux: This was amazing!!! Thank you thank you. Let’s make this a series.

13:00:40          From Jackie Illum to All panelists: thank you, this has been amazing!!!!!

13:00:40          From Darlene Myrie: Thank you very much.

13:00:41          From Christof Spieler to All panelists: That was so amazing and so needed. Thank you.

13:00:41          From Huma Husain: Thank you!!!!

13:00:41          From Leo Doyle to All panelists: Thank you.

13:00:41          From Barb Chamberlain: Yes to a series. Pay the panelists.

13:00:41          From Adam Harrison: Deeply appreciate the time, energy and candour of the panel.

13:00:41          From Reva Quam: Standing ovation!

13:00:42          From Jen Pham to All panelists: Thank you all!!!

13:00:43          From Hally Bert to All panelists: THANK YOU!

13:00:43          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

13:00:43          From Safeeya Faruqui to All panelists: another one!!! yes a series!!

13:00:43          From Jennifer Keesmaat to All panelists: THANK YOU so much to the panelists and Jay.

13:00:43          From Danielle Culp to All panelists: Thank you everyone!

13:00:43          From Lucy Lynch to All panelists: Thank you!

13:00:43          From Katrina Chaves to All panelists: Thank you for all of your comments, great session!

13:00:43          From Sean David: Great discussion Guys! Keep up the momentum!!

13:00:43          From Gregg Lintern: thank you all

13:00:44          From Stacey Berry to All panelists: THANK YOU!!!!!!!

13:00:44          From Meredith Charko to All panelists: Thank you SO MUCH for doing this and for your time and labour

13:00:44          From Igor Dragovic to All panelists: you need a series of talks like Jay said

13:00:44          From Candida Lorenzana: Thank you so much for being real and sharing your experiences

13:00:45          From Christopher Forinash to All panelists: Thank you for your work and sharing it.

13:00:46          From James Taylor to All panelists: Thank you!

13:00:46          From Tesicca Truong to All panelists: I hope they are all being paid to be panelists

13:00:46          From Ocean Luo to All panelists: Thank you!!!!

13:00:46          From Nika Teper: Thank you!!!

13:00:46          From Peggy Theodore to All panelists: thank you for sharing experiences

13:00:46          From Arcy Canumay: Thank you very much! Maraming Salamat.

13:00:47          From Scott Sharba to All panelists: Is there a way to compensate you all for your time today?

13:00:47          From Rozina Spinnoy to All panelists: We need more conversations around this – everywhere.

13:00:48          From Vivian Gomes to All panelists: YEEESSSSSS!!!!!

13:00:48          From Hudson McLellan to All panelists: Thank you so much!!

13:00:49          From Safeeya Faruqui to All panelists: but they better be getting paid

13:00:49          From Natasha Bagully to All panelists: Thank you!

13:00:49          From Joe Arruda: Thank You Jay and all the panel

13:00:49          From Jennifer Smyth: Thank you all!!

13:00:49          From Peter Kitchen: thank you!

13:00:51          From Kristen O’Toole to All panelists: Thank you so much for your time and labor and allowing me to listen

13:00:51          From John Jung: Very powerful. Thank you

13:00:51          From Alicia Close: Thank you so much!!!

13:00:51          From Maisha Barnett to All panelists: Bravo!

13:00:51          From Leif Einarson to All panelists: More please. Thank you!

13:00:52          From Bruna Nigro to All panelists: thank you all !

13:00:52          From Christine Chea to All panelists: Yes, please! I would love if this was turned into a series!

13:00:52          From Christa yeung to All panelists: yesss a series would be soo amazing and necessary!

13:00:53          From Jessica Alba: Awesome. Thank you so much. And we need more!!!!

13:00:53          From Claudia Sanchez: We would like a PAID series

13:00:54          From Janani Mahendran to All panelists: thank you!

13:00:54          From Paolo Tolfo: Thank you Jay. Thank you Anthonia. Thank you Will. Thank you Tamika. Thank you Orlando.

13:00:54          From Jenna Dutton: Thank you so much!

13:00:54          From Carl Novikoff: Thanks you!

13:00:54          From Kathryn Lennon: So powerful ❤️ Thank you!

13:00:54          From Tyler Marr to All panelists: Thank you!

13:00:54          From Monika Rau to All panelists: THANK YOU!

13:00:54          From Jaclyn Gault: Thank you for taking on the emotional burden of sharing and pushing people to do more.

13:00:55          From Igor Dragovic to All panelists: One hour is hardly enough

13:00:55          From Sajid Sifat: Thank you all!!

13:00:55          From Rebecca Garlick: Absolutely amazing! We thank you SO MUCH!

13:00:56          From Sarena Seifer: an hour is not enough!!

13:00:56          From George Papakonstantinou: Thank you for sharing all of this.

13:00:57          From Cheryl Cohen: Thank you to everyone on the pane.

13:00:57          From Kayla Ginter to All panelists: Thank you so much, so honoured to listen in! All the best everyone!

13:00:57          From Devin Reynolds to All panelists: Thank you, folks! Really appreciate the edification.

13:00:57          From Allison O’Connor to All panelists: The steps!!! much appreciated

13:00:58          From Lichheng Lim: thank you so much for your time and work!!!

13:00:58          From Jennifer Granados: WOW – Thank you all!

13:00:59          From Paula to All panelists: Thank you!!! Great conversation and I’d love to hear more as the conversation continues!

13:00:59          From Diana Chang to All panelists: thank you <3

13:01:00          From Krista Eichenbaum to All panelists: Merci.

13:01:00          From Hilary Norton: Fantastic!!! Amen!!! Thank you for your wisdom and excellence.

13:01:01          From Yvette Lopez Jessop to All panelists: Mil Gracias! Need more of this. Stay Blessed Y’all

13:01:01          From Robin Aksu to All panelists: This was amazing.

13:01:02          From Courtney Sutherland: Thank you all for your insight and time!

13:01:03          From Kathleen Ferrier to All panelists: Thank you so much for sharing your time and experience.

13:01:05          From Jane Purvis: Thank you all.

13:01:05          From Anita Ifeadi to All panelists: thank you all! ❤️

13:01:06          From Thea Kurdi: Please turn on the auto-captioning at least for the coming sessions to increase the accessibility for all

13:01:07          From Steve Paikin to All panelists: Where can I get the URL recording of this? I have to pass this along to others.

13:01:08          From Maria Suarez to All panelists: thank you from Boston

13:01:08          From Christa yeung to All panelists: Thank you all speakers and Dr. Jay Pitter !

13:01:08          From sue uteck to All panelists: Thank you for sharing with us. I’m going to look for Orlando’s Podcasts. Peace to you all!

13:01:09          From Candace Safonovs to All panelists: <3

13:01:10          From Sarah McMurtry: Thank you so much ! That was incredible

13:01:11          From Eleanor Mohammed: So much gratitude for the panelists!

13:01:12          From Angela Jarvis: Taking these conversations back to work as I saw a fellow peer’s name appear in this chat – and we had no idea.

13:01:12          From Patrice Desdunes: cant wait to read it

13:01:12          From Safeeya Faruqui to All panelists: yes a paid series

13:01:14          From Carina Cojeen: Looking forward to Jay’s doc!!

13:01:15          From Nicole Coutinho: Thank you for so much! – love from Mississauga. architecture & urbanism

13:01:15          From Cristina Nearing: Thank you!!!!!! <3 <3 <3

13:01:17          From Charlotte Wayara to All panelists: Thank you so much all of you for your generosity and energy. This has been so important for my healing and for my work.

13:01:17          From Sheldon Cooper to All panelists: thank you all!

13:01:17          From Ranu Basu to All panelists: Thank you so much!! Very grateful.

13:01:17          From Leanne Roderick to All panelists: Will read and frame

13:01:18          From Genet Mehari to All panelists: so powerful, thank you so much. Genet

13:01:18          From michael to All panelists: Amazing! thanks

13:01:18          From Angelic Mojica to All panelists: Thank you panelists for sharing your time and experiences! Thank you organizers for putting this together!

13:01:19          From John Harlow: Please email that to attendees so we can spread it

13:01:19          From Aliyyah Balson to All panelists: Thank you for sharing your time, expertise and experience with us!🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

13:01:20          From Safeeya Faruqui to All panelists: time is not free!!

13:01:20          From Benjamin Bongolan: thank you for your leadership Jay

13:01:21          From Stephanie Chai to All panelists: Thank you so much for your time and the passionate conversation!

13:01:22          From Mark Nener: Thank you so much to all the panelists.

13:01:22          From Stephanie Mackenzie-Smith to All panelists: Thank you all! Looking forward to continuing the conversation.

13:01:22          From Manisha: Thank you for sharing your insights.

13:01:25          From Maisha Barnett to All panelists: I can’t wait to read A Call to Courage

13:01:26          From Heidi Campbell to All panelists: Thank you!!! Incredible!

13:01:26          From Veronika Bylicki: Thank you all!

13:01:27          From Anita Ifeadi: Thank you all ! ❤️

13:01:28          From Belén Herrera to All panelists: Call to Courage – will you please share on social media when it’s posted?

13:01:28          From Felene Cayetano: Thank you!

13:01:29          From Christine Chea to All panelists: Will there be a link sent out by CUI?

13:01:29          From Sarah Vereault: thank you so much for taking the time. much appreciated

13:01:29          From Matthew Hillgren to All panelists: Deeply thank you all

13:01:30          From Alycia Doering: Thank you!!! So appreciative for hearing your about your experiences <3

13:01:30          From wajiha ibrahim: Thank you all, from Los Angeles!

13:01:31          From Shahinaz Eshesh to All panelists: Thank you so much for speaking your truth and your experiences. This is extremely invaluable insight. I would love to see a series of this.

13:01:32          From Stephanie Payne to All panelists: THANK YOU!!!

13:01:32          From Safeeya Faruqui to All panelists: thank you for your time

13:01:32          From Timothy Papandreou: THANK YOU

13:01:32          From Evelyn Murcia to All panelists: Thank you and much love to all of you ❤️

13:01:33          From Alicia Close: Grateful to you for sharing your stories!

13:01:33          From ana martins: Thank you!

13:01:34          From Brent Toderian to All panelists: Outstanding conversation. Congratulations to all involved, & big thanks to Jay.

13:01:37          From Angela King to All panelists: INVALUABLE – thank you

13:01:39          From Diana Chang: Thank you!

13:01:40          From edgar ayala to All panelists: thank you

13:01:41          From Alexis David: Thank you so much!

13:01:42          From Diana Benitez to All panelists: thank you!

13:01:44          From Dana Seguin to All panelists: thank you❤

13:01:45          From Kasia Tota to All panelists: Thank you!

13:01:48          From Gary Miedema to All panelists: thank you!

13:01:52          From Krista McLellan to All panelists: I can’t say thank you enough. Please continue this conversation. I so appreciate the vulnerability, wisdom and insight.

13:01:54          From Kyra Savolainen to All panelists: <3

13:02:00          From Michelle Jones to All panelists: I am not ready to go

13:02:01          From Meaghon Reid to All panelists: Gratitude

13:02:01          From Shaun Smakal to All panelists: Orlando! Go Detroit!

13:02:04          From Rolando Cantú to All panelists: Thank you

13:02:07          From Mine Ogunsiji to All panelists: Thank you so much!! Super empowering

13:02:07          From Jess Spieker: Thank you, thank you, thank you! Deeply appreciated.

13:02:09          From Catherine Campbell to All panelists: Thank you so much!!! WOW!

13:02:10          From Michael Rac: great respect for all your efforts, be well and keeping doing good.

13:02:11          From Vanessa Opassinis to All panelists: Thank you.

13:02:11          From David Gajer: will this recording be sent out? Love to share this powerful dialogue.

13:02:12          From Alex Servos to All panelists: thank you so much! so much learning to do still.

13:02:12          From Michelle Jones to All panelists: I wanted to know how we can subscribe to this series

13:02:13          From Regina Fojas to All panelists: Thank you, thank you from NYC

13:02:17          From Alison Creba to All panelists: thank you all.

13:02:17          From Zorica Aleksovska: Thank you so much

13:02:21          From stefan winkler to All panelists: That. Was. Amazing. THANK YOU.

13:02:23          From annie koh: i wonder what would be a good way to continue these conversations I know a lot of people but not everyone uses twitter

13:02:23          From Victoria Grohn: Thank you!

13:02:23          From Fay Darmawi to All panelists: Call to Courage! Yes can’t wait for that, thank you Jay Pitter!

13:02:24          From Molly Steeves: Thank you to the panelists, CUI and all who shared links, thoughts and resources

13:02:25          From Julie Sommerfreund: It’s true, I don’t want to go

13:02:27          From Candace Witkowskyj: So much respect, thank you so much! I’m going to hold myself accountable to honouring the labour of these panelists and the learning I received today by donating to the programs mentioned and led by folks on this panel and I would encourage other folks who have that capacity to do the same!

13:02:30          From Candice Leung: A lot of great resources were shared in this chat. Can we save those too

13:02:36          From Giselle De Grandis: Thank you! I’m going to be sharing the recording with my colleagues

13:02:38          From Lauren Marshall to All panelists: Thank you all for sharing so vulnerably and with such eloquence!

13:02:39          From Omo Iserhienrhien: Thank you so much for this conversations. I’ve been reinvigorated

13:02:40          From Jaclyn Gault: https://www.canurb.org/citytalk

13:02:41          From annie koh: https://twitter.com/Jay_Pitter

13:02:43          From Sean Solowski: Thank you for sharing your perspective and feelings. Inspiring

13:02:51          From Robin Thomas to All panelists: Deep appreciation for all that you shared, from the personal to the professional and reminding us how these can not be separated.

13:02:51          From Devin Reynolds: Thank you for your time and efforts. They are truly appreciated. =)

13:02:51          From Jesse Mintz-Roth: Thanks so much.. I wish I could save the text in this chat box.. it has so many good resources.. I’m trying to click all the links before leaving the zoom:)

13:03:01          From Kaari Kitawi: More dialogue and LOTs AND LOT S of action

13:03:07          From Catherine Campbell: Thanks you so much. WOW!

13:03:19          From Shameeza: Thank you so much, such an insightful, emotional conversation. Like you said this is just the beginning, looking forward to the next one but again, with time whenever you are ready thank you for the resources in the meantime.:)

 

13:03:25          From Kara Martin to All panelists: Thank you so much for this conversation. Can we also have a similar conversation with the indigenous community, perhaps on June 21, int’l indigenous people’s day? Many thanks.

13:03:28          From Samuel Baptiste to All panelists: Thank you all.

13:03:34          From Candace Witkowskyj: Thank you so much Jay, Anthonia, Orlando, Will, and Tamika!

13:03:48          From Jesse Mintz-Roth: Thanks to all the panelists

13:04:33          From annie koh: canurb- i believe has been saving all these chats

13:04:34          From Sarah Bradley to All panelists: Thank you <3 for sharing your expertise AND lived experience.

13:05:12          From Andrea Calla: Thank you all for sharing your life experiences.