[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:01:40
Hi! Everybody! It’s Mary Rowe, from the Canadian Urban institute really really pleased to be able to welcome you to this conversation which I hope is the first of many as we begin to reach out and and work Collaboratively we hope with folks that are really engaged in the Forefront

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:01:58
of what urbanism looks like under under extraordinary circumstances in a crisis, like now that the Ukraine is that Ukraine is spacing.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:02:04
So I’m very pleased to be able to have

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:02:07
2 practitioners who were working in Ukraine to join us today, but also to Season veterans.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:02:13
Shall we say who are familiar with urban planning and urban sort of Genesis of Urban work, that the Canadian Urban Institute did many years ago in Ukraine and other Parts, of the World, so I’m gonna ask them, to Join in a Sec

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:02:27
but just to acknowledge that I’m in Toronto today which a Blustery day that we were having here and this is the Traditional ancestral territory of the Mississippi of the Credit the Chippewa the Nashnabek the

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:02:39
Hunshani and the Wend at Peoples and and 2 treaties that are covering Us.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:02:44
Here, Treaty 13, and the Williams, Treaty and Home now to many indigenous first nations, and in mit peoples.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:02:49
We are continuing in our journey at Ci to come to terms with what reconciliation.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:02:53
What he looks like in practice, and the legacies of colonialism are all around us, as we know, and I’m sure that that’s part of what we can chat with our Ukrainian colleagues about about how do you actually look at the history, of urbanism, and how that’s.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:03:07
Been affected by different kinds of exercises, of power, and how as we recover from whatever we’re recovering it in their case, an extraordinary situation, but we have this in Canada Too and other other Ways, where Particular Practices, and Zoning and different Kinds of ways, that cities have Grown

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:03:26
Up have in fact, ended up being very negative in terms of supporting inclusion, and supporting equity.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:03:33
So we can continue to have those conversations, and this is never a conversation that can stop it has to be continual and I’m hoping my colleagues will be able to put in the chat, we have an indigenous board member who continually reminds me that a land

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:03:44
Acknowledgement ain’t good enough, and that there are whole, not a series of actions here in least in Canada, that We’ve been urged to take through various national commissions and different kinds of inquiries that have led to Long, Lists of things of things that we can all be

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:03:57
Doing and that we can do as individuals, we can do as households in our neighborhoods, and we can do them more broadly, as a municipal and city governments and communities so welcome to this if you were with us, last week, you know that we went through a what I called an urban

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:04:13
telephone, we Marked Covid 1,000 and park for Us.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:04:16
To believe that we were marking, a 1,000 days of Covid, but part of what we were trying to do?

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:04:20
There is, acknowledge the extraordinary lessons that we’ve acquired and that we’ve learned, and which of those Need to stick or the phrase that we always use at City talk, What’s, Working what’s not and what’s, next which is the question we’ve been

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:04:32
Asking in a couple of 100 of these different kinds of engagements.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:04:36
We’ve had in the last 1,000 days. So going forward, now and what we started to talk about.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:04:39
Last Week was what should the next 1,000 days? How should we be prioritizing our time, and and how might that adjust what we see as being important for governments to pay attention to the private sector, community civil society, academia, all of us Together that are engaged in this big extraordinary experiment called

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:05:00
Building cities, so We’re looking Forward to Posting Takeaways from those Sessions last week.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:05:06
So we’ll be hosting videos and and takeaways.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:05:10
And as we always suggest to people you. Know this is the beginning of a conversation, and we’re continuing to learn as we go, there’s no necessarily right or fixed answer there’s lots and lots of options.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:05:20
So we encourage you. You’ll see a note from us next week.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:05:22
When they get posted the other thing is we’re still asking people about and to give us some video feedback.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:05:27
If you’d like about what you think the key Covid dividend is the key learnings are and so we’ll post into the chat again.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:05:33
Here in case you haven’t done it yet. It’s an interesting exercise just to ask answer questions.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:05:38
That I post to you on video about what you think the really important legacies might be of Covid in terms, of how we build manage plan and design, and and continue to govern cities, so with that in mind i’m gonna ask my colleague Bob, on a shock to come on so turn your screen

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:05:55
on box, that you can and so people can see. And hear you there he is, and and Bob will tell you a little bit about himself.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:06:02
Obviously, but what I what’s important for me to tell you is that Bob was a long time director.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:06:05
As a board director of the Canadian Urban Institute, predates me although we knew each other a little bit back in those days, and but he also has an extraordinarily long association with Ukraine and with bridging these kinds of Communities, around how people, with Planning and

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:06:23
Urban Design experience, and governance, experience can actually share.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:06:26
And when I got into this role, which was 3 years ago, I said, that I thought one of the really primary Functions of Cui was to be new to build new forms of connected tissue, so that we can learn from each other.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:06:36
And hear what’s working and what’s not in ci has a long history of this, around the world, and you were part of that in in those days when that was happening, so I’m gonna ask you to just speak a little bit about your perspective, on that about the history, of Ci in

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:06:52
that way, and then we’ll go to our colleagues in Ukraine are going to tell us a little bit about what’s what’s going on.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:06:56
Now, so over to you, Bob. Nice to have you thanks for joining city talk.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:06:59
Thanks for the Invitation, Mary and that’s a delightful for for me to to be part of this this morning, so I’ve been involved with your brain for over 30, Years.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:07:10
Took the First delegation in 1989.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:07:14
I was an advisor to the first 3 presidents, as a as an international advisor.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:07:21
We did we did the monetary we did.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:07:24
The Canada, did the First Currency for Ukraine and I was involved I handled that for the government of Ukraine got them into Iko and Iata and All of that Stuff and then Served on a number of their Boards and Advisory

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:07:41
And an advisory Capacity, but serendipitously in the early twentieth century, in the in the first, 2,200, t020-00-2005actually i.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:07:56
Happen to Be Chair of I was on the Board of the Cui, but happened to become chair for 6 years, and at the same time, as

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:08:04
You see, I moved into 2 major projects, 3 Major projects actually

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:08:13
Ukraine, but my background is a lawyer, practicing.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:08:18
I always practiced in urban development, city region, development, smart growth, wrote the first book on smart growth in Canada, was it was responsible, for smart growth, being picked up by the Province of Ontario and becoming the way, that that Municipalities in ontario, grow and

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:08:38
Develop, and of course that was an infrastructure, was another very large part of my practice.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:08:44
But see I had all route always had International Practice and

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:08:51
It was right after the Orange Revolution in 2,004.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:08:56
That Cui was asked by the Federal government, by Seda actually sealed and I think youndp to get involved, or whether they’d be prepared to get involved.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:09:07
In helping Ukraine and the new Government new Reform Government, of Victor, to re restructure, the Economy, Restructure, their Model, There’s a Model of Governance, for the Country, Onto Into Western Style into Western Style, the Democratic institutions, this meant

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:09:32
Decentralization, which was a word and a concept that would that had been developed by the world bank and undp, and that C.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:09:40
Ui Had very successfully worked on in the Philippines.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:09:44
We don’t talk about that. Now We run of Time, but but it was of it was basically to devolve where you have unitary governments, which have all the power at the center for them.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:09:57
In the 20 twentieth and the 20 first century to devolve the some of that authority down to city regions, and to cities, so that it doesn’t become one master at sitting in the in the capital of any country, controlling the purse, and controlling decision making and that was successfully being

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:10:17
Implemented by Us. Not just in the Philippines, but what Victor, you should call wanted to do to what was a post-soviet, very Authoritarian System of government, which he inherited, from the first 2.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:10:32
Presidents of of Ukraine, so the Canadian Government came to us and and see, why said we’d be prepared to step up to help with with that Prospect, or that Project and and basically that involved that that then devolved into 2 major Projects one

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:10:54
Was called regional economic development by economic development. It wasn’t just economic development.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:11:00
It was a change in governance and at an end, and a devolution of looked, of government, of of authority, and autonomy semi-autonomy to the local municipalities and the region city regions, ukraine, has 25, oblusts or like

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:11:21
Provinces in Canada, with a major City at the center of each and a city region around it, and then they might have a second, or third, large city, but basically that’s the way they were struck but so is that Evolution down to a Regional Level, and then down to a Local Level was to follow after

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:11:40
That and

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:11:41
You know it’s good. It’s a good concept, Bob it’s subsidiary which Europeans are more familiar with because it’s written into a lot of constitutional arrangements, so it’s interesting this history that we have of sharing that I want to just get you to wrap up

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:11:50
Yep.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:11:53
quickly, because I really want to get to our guests. So carry on

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:11:55
Right, so That was one of the projects that the other one was creating their public private partnership, infrastructure law, which Bowden, and I and a Team help them, Design and you know implement and it was passed by the Government, to by before you should call lost power, to Victor Daniel

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:12:21
college our projects continued up to 2,013, but then of course with yellow coverage still in power, a lot of what we had done with the new Ministry of Regional, Economic Development, in Ukraine really came to a Hold and then of course and 2,014, you had the

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:12:42
re, revolution, of dignity, where Yankee College leaves Poroshenkoka and the good guys come back for Democrats, Reformers, and the and the Institution, started starts to Rebuild again, but unfortunately at in the Middle of 2,014

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:13:03
Russia Invades Primarily and Don Bast, and you know the rest of the story, what was what we did in in Ukraine is very much what needs to be done, and it’s.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:13:15
Not that it needs to be done by us, and certainly not by us alone.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:13:20
For them. Now in terms of them, rebuilding having to rebuild virtually very large parts, of the country, that will be the discussion Yeah.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:13:27
Well, Let’s Let’s hear. Let’s yeah, I’d love to hear That’s why We’re very pleased.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:13:31
To have Daria and Alex joining us. So, if I can suggest that they turn their cameras on.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:13:36
You can turn your off bob, and we’re now gonna talk to Alex Shenko, and his colleague, Darry.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:13:41
Okay.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:13:43
Who’s her name. I want to make sure. I say properly, Borovic.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:13:46
So close with that coast are you it thanks you too for joining us you know you can hear that teeth from Bob that to the organization that I run the chair to the Iran had a Historic relationship funded by the national government, when it was doing this kind of work.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:13:59
But I am a little sensitive to this, because I most fearful about outsiders telling anybody how they should or shouldn’t.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:14:06
You know, manage whatever their challenges are. So we’re keen to hear from you guys, what you are seeing and and Alexander and I reached out to each other and linkedin and have had a response, for the last several months, and I’ve been frankly, astonished that you’ve got the

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:14:20
Bandwidth to think about this in terms of what you’re facing.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:14:23
So maybe I could ask before you show your slides, Alex. Maybe each of you could just introduce yourselves briefly and just tell us where you’re coming from and also what your engagement is and what you’re a sort of perspective, is on city building so i’ll go first to you Daria man.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:14:38
Yes, sure so I’m a trained architect, and the urban Center and I’ve been working in both Ukraine and outside and Youkraine mostly Concentrating on mostly Working with the Those already Mentioned, by Bob Descentralized Administrative.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:14:39
Fine!

[Daria Borovyk] 12:14:59
Units and helping them to prepare strategy, training, the administration, Mentoring Providing a Knowledge for them.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:15:09
So this was my yeah, biggest, focus, and in Restarts.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:15:14
I’m one of the Researchers and Responsible, for the one of the Clusters, which we definitely will be talking about Thursday.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:15:22
Sure, great, I’m gonna encourage people listening in to feel free to put into the chat any questions that you’ve got specific questions that Alexander and Daria can respond to and also Bob and then his Colleague Bdon will join as well, but by all means folks use the Chat

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:15:36
post, questions. There’s no such thing as a dumb question.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:15:37
As you know, I ask them all the time, so please let us know what you’re curious about and We’ll hope that Daria and Alexander can give us.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:15:44
A chance, give us a bit of a glimpse so over to you, Alex, said me a little bit about you, and then obviously you’re i’m hoping.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:15:49
You’ll talk about restart, ukraine, and I know you’re gonna show us some slots, so thanks for being patient with us, as we Got this session together, We’re as I said very appreciative of you coming.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:15:56
On, go ahead! Alex.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:15:58
Thanks. A. Lot. Mary. It’s really a pleasure in order to be here, and invited such such a discussion to such a talk, shortly about myself.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:16:08
I’m Ukrainian urbanist, I’m 31, and this coincides with the age of the Independent Ukraine, which is basically the age of around the age, of those active people, who, are changing core one, of those who change in the country right now so I was trained first as a civil

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:16:29
Engineer, and I worked for a while within the development sector, where I wasn’t really happy about because the city’s looked ugly.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:16:37
And I didn’t really like that much. That’s why I yeah, that’s right.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:16:43
Threads, and took another attempt to in starting abroad in spatial plan, where actually like more Impact to the Strategic plan could be taken and that going my graduation from the second master Coincide, with the revolution of Dignity, which Bob Mentioned in 2,000, and 14 where there was no

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:17:02
Like doubt, for me either to come back with to Ukraine or not so when I returned back I worked for a while in the Third Sector within the Urban Recovery and the Urban Activation Projects for an Ngo, but throughout my career I used to work, in various context, in

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:17:23
Italy, in Germany, in Malaysia, and then eventually I came back to Ukraine, the second time, which was 2,018 starting the Private Consultancy called Vc Agency, where we worked with the with the Organizations also Bob Mentioned like Sit down Usage is that that European

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:17:41
Technical support organizations which were building this together.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:17:47
This spine of administrative new new new administrative division for Ukraine and that’s basically, what we were doing, me and Daria in our bubbles, and when the War has come actually I was there Founder the Leader of the Multi-disciplinary

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:17:54
Got it.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:18:08
Year collective we should which which cross code and instill is go through, started to create, which grew up in a project in an Ngo, and I Don’t really know where we were we will end up so over to you

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:18:22
Great, we well, it’s good to have some background on this are you ready to share your slides, Alexander, so that you can just sort of take, people, okay, you go ahead and take us through that and if I could just encourage people coming in I forgot to ask you the beginning just to tell us, where you’re tuning in from it’s.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:18:27
I am completely ready.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:18:38
Helpful to us, and helpful to the people participating the session to know where people are coming in, from what where you happen to be located.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:18:44
Okay over to you. Alex, go ahead, take us through. We can see your slides, that are correct

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:18:47
Perfect. So I will be given maybe a bit of the introduction, and then I will ask.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:18:54
I started to help me with this presentation. So then you have like both both opinions of of of us to to the to the work we are doing.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:19:05
So I, will start with this band, which, which which we heard like 20.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:19:10
Fourth of February, where basically all the normal life has stopped.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:19:14
And it is very important to to keep it in mind and carried mine, because the recovery happens by the people who our experience in total change, of their normal routine so like they the other reason why we are doing this is very pragmatic is that market of urbanism, and architecture in

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:19:39
Ukraine Like Collapsed because of the War for Instance.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:19:42
That’s why we are thinking proactively, as well.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:19:44
What should we do in the Future and Ukraine is big, not as big as Canada, but is quite big from East, to west, more than like 1,100 kilometers and the point by this slide is that and the city’s, municipality, in Ukraine are under pressure we’re.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:20:03
In on depression still are under pressure instead, only those ones on the front line, and also those which are in the buffer, in the so-called Saved Zone, because in the left on the Left, you see, the City of Levi which Received Extra 30% To Its Population during 2 weeks on the

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:20:23
Right, you see, famous city Mario, but which was destroyed like more than 90%.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:20:29
I mean, not more than 90% of buildings were damaged or destroyed.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:20:33
So this gives you gives you gives you a certain contacts, that Ukraine is damaged, not homogeneously, and different challenges arise in different objects, in different regions, and we Deal.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:20:48
Now with the with it, with a situation with the context, where every fourth Ukrainian was displaced, I will give you an example of my family, so usually I stay in Ukraine right now, I I I’m talking to you from Berlin, we are my wife, and my Kid who is 2 years

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:21:07
Old, state, and they flee almost immediately after the war has started, and then there’s so many millions of such stories.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:21:19
So, then you can imagine how how hard hard is it not to complain?

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:21:23
But to, to like, give you a sense of what’s going on the other thing.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:21:30
Is this, horizon of planning. So basically, recover, it’s about strategic things, but June, or planning strategic things.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:21:40
Strategic plans without knowing what will happen to you in 2 weeks?

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:21:44
It gives you a certain additional psychological pressure, and like you need you you try to adapt and to to work, this scenarios.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:21:54
You would like to to carry on. And maybe it’s just again support from the story.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:22:01
Bob Gate was a really actually interesting and nice background and introduction.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:22:06
And I will just invite you to look at the Ukraine of the modern times, from the other perspectives like every 5 years.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:22:14
Something was happening like sorry from Chernobyl in A 1986, then the collapse of the Soviet Union, then the nineteenth nineties was this provides prioritization and like total Poverty for some low and middle class and then we go to the report revolution, in 2,000,

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:22:30
And 8, and then we go to the Revolutionary War in 2,014.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:22:34
We had a coronavirus in between 2 wars.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:22:37
So imagine imagine this generation and for us, it’s it’s kind of a breaking point.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:22:44
Here with the start of the full Scale War, whether we kind of our Support in this Trend, that every 5 years something will happen, and we keep on reacting and that actually gave the Spirit to to their Stars, Ukraine, that okay, We need something which will shape our cities for for decades ahead.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:23:06
So we are not always like Behind Behind the pacemaker, behind the leader, and we can actually take on board all the trends, and challenges we totally see in the future the Food crisis, the Freshwater, crisis, climate change integration like they are humongous and to to to make it through I mean, to Make

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:23:29
It not to end you crisis, but make it to any new breakthrough.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:23:35
So I would just give you a short background of you, creating according to the World Bank.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:23:40
Which was this report was done when the war has started in 2,000, and 14 saying that it’s not homogeneous at all in terms of population.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:23:50
Yes, it’s decreasing, an agent, however, in south and East It’s decreasing, an agent quicker than in the West, and in the center, the East, and South is the place, where they, have a Heavy industry is Based Whereas Center and West are going really quickly to the Economic Economics, of Services and to the It which is

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:24:12
Ukraine now starting to be more and more famous for Hey, also the agglomerations.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:24:17
So there is different pace in different areas of Ukraine and overlapping, that with the war going on, I will try just try to show you like how things Collapse together and we are having now pretty much An Ideal Storm and from one side it is like a Tragedy for that from

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:24:36
From the other side it is an opportunity to take it from there, and really plan it good.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:24:42
So Restart. Ukraine emerged early very early in March, in March 2,022, responding to already on the third week, of the World, Responding to the huge Damage and huge losses within the built Environment, in Ukrainian cities and we already Understood that there is No

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:25:05
kind of you know we call it the remote renovation.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:25:09
Where it just like you know, paint your walls again in invite, and that’s.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:25:14
It. We need like fundamental changes. And to be honest, we were the Civic Society and the Professional Community.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:25:21
We were pretty much sick of what Processes were going on to our cities, even without the war, so they were not perfect, and like together with that we said, Okay, we should do something do we go city by city no way, we have no capacity, for that like thousands of cities we are 15.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:25:40
And there is so much predictability to how many, how many resources we have. And when the war will be will be over, and what is the configuration of the recovery software so we said okay, we try to focus on system change and we try to look at the bottlenecks and we understand that there

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:26:00
Are specific bottlenecks. Such as capacity of the Professionals, Capacity, or lack of coordinated and centralized data.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:26:11
And there is a kind of Hunger for new ideas, visions which we combined in this toolbox we which which consists right now out of 3 Unions, the other one is the open Floats Platform digital platform to analyze the Recovery the other one is the renewal strategy the idea.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:26:29
Was heavily working on and we are still publishing some bits and pieces of it, and not to make it very theoretical.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:26:37
We took you liberated city, and ran through a pilot case.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:26:42
So we will show you just a sneak peek.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:26:46
Not going really kind, of extensively through these materials, because I believe the the privilege here is to talk to you, and to have this exchange and Discussions, because I’m repeating this kind of many times in my Life in here in last last few months, so repeating that for me

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:27:08
Doesn’t really change things. But we have to change for you and then the biggest outcome of that would be like me and diaz discussion with you.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:27:17
Absolutely. So here over to daria and I’ll just ask to develop the the the storyline about the framework, and the idea behind the clusters is and you will discover that through the slides you will see further, over to you.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:27:34
Yes, thank you. Alex. yes, I think I briefly managed that I was I started as one of the I started as a Manager of one of the Clusters, which was Cluster, number 3, clean but generally when we started thinking of the Recovery the first Question we ask ourselves, where do we

[Daria Borovyk] 12:27:58
start? What is that we need to recover, and what is it about only urban planning is it about destroyed buildings.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:28:05
Obviously it is not only about that, so with those questions we managed to come up with the Framework of 9 clusters, which you can see on on the slide so first one is observe, so that we start with the collecting all the data of the destruction which happened second step.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:28:29
Is reclaim where we think what are the preconditions for people to return?

[Daria Borovyk] 12:28:33
Because people are biggest capacity and value. in the third step, clean, we think, what do we do with debris, what are our possibilities opportunities to upcycle, recycle work.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:28:45
With materials in the Pretty Cluster we are thinking.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:28:50
Of what are the challenges which Ukraine is facing right now, what are the Future challenges, and how do we react on that whether the global term, just in the same time, as A local in Fish, cluster, remember we are thinking of both Tangible and intangible Heritage.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:29:10
of war? and how do we establish Framework for that then cluster plan which is a I’ve been planning what do we do with cities?

[Daria Borovyk] 12:29:23
What where is our opportunity to change the status quo of planning prior to War.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:29:28
Hmm in finance of course, is always balancing our ideas and ambitions of Recovery with the Available Resource participate is nothing is done. For people, without their participation and cluster, build it’s about Managing the Existing and planning the new build build Environment.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:29:51
Next question

[Daria Borovyk] 12:29:54
Yes, I hear talking about the global, well, global and local challenges Mixed Alright one of the Bigger Sectors, is Economics.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:30:10
Where we

[Daria Borovyk] 12:30:12
We have, or, yeah, we have productive regions.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:30:18
We have regions which are transitory, and we and these Veterans are damaged with the war like the Destruction of or

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:30:28
Maybe I I hear the so that’s we are trying to suggest this framework, also for the cities, understanding that the the the general, processes in the country, have changed dramatically like 180 degrees, and that the economy, where you were usually counting on the having a Scenery the goal mining I Culture

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:30:52
Pretty much spatial sectors, and they are not possible anymore.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:30:55
In the full extend according to the according to the limitations, we have because of the war, so you by the hash, you see the mind or the damage territories, transit lines, are totally different right now because we have no connection with the Russian Belarusian and of course, no increase

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:31:17
To roll, receive the board cities which which are our certain like engaged to the to the trade, global Trade, and the same is also fair for the environment.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:31:34
So it it it there there was some also Major Pollution before the war, together with not

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:31:43
Not homogeneous distribution, of nature, reserve, Protected Areas along the country, and extensive public culture.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:31:50
We received like very vulnerable ecosystem.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:31:53
All Around, the Country and the potential and future climate change, together with the present fires in bombing gives a humongous pressure, environmentally, and the the demographic part here is that we we have outflow of people, to the West onto the to outside of the country, which gives a certain you can kind

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:32:16
Of brief like we recover this city, for instance, 300,000 people, for whom for people who left like, will they come, back.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:32:24
So what is our guess like what is our technical brief.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:32:28
So then again, back to over, to Russia.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:32:31
This thanks. It’s another challenge, which is not thematic.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:32:38
But timely, challenge so the recovery cannot happen within.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:32:44
One day, although we would oh, maybe wish for that. So here we developed this facing for the recovery.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:32:51
And you can see that first, is emergency, response, which we account for once to years.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:32:56
Next phase is an adaptation which is around 5 years and the last stage is sustainable development, which is 10 plus years

[Daria Borovyk] 12:33:06
Next, please

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:33:10
And here, like I just added, some more detailed, not not to go through all the slides.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:33:16
We have, but to to have this detailed Methodology, which was situation to the cities right.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:33:21
Now, is that pretty many organizations today provide humanitarian response, fast recovery actions?

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:33:29
However, they are not always synchronized, and related to the space, but we see it as a huge potential to start this recovery now and to preach these phases together, it goes.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:33:44
Humanitarian response. Right now is totally different from adaptation response.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:33:49
And it’s totally different from medium, long-term development.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:33:52
So release the dub like what are the aspects from the clusters, we relate to each of the phase and brought them to the bicycle, to our pilot’s case, and Daria, would you like to summarize like what what is this map about as a as an integrated map.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:34:12
for the City of

[Daria Borovyk] 12:34:15
Yeah, so, basically, after trying up our approach on them. Okay, study, we came into a strategic a specific plan for Chinese city.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:34:29
Development. And we see it as a green barrier, free, a multi purpose and accessible city, and what it means in a more details is that we see Alright, we Restart of the role of the reverse in the city, so it’s not Only a recreational, not only has Agricultural potential and

[Daria Borovyk] 12:34:54
Ecological resilience for the city, but it’s also has a strong and very important function of defense.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:35:03
Defense, Function, and the transportation function. which was, yeah, very, specific reaction, to the invasion since the river Blocks evocation, of people of course, We are thinking, of connecting, the green card creating Green Corridors by Connecting Green Spaces in the City and in

[Daria Borovyk] 12:35:27
Enhancing their Resilience towards Climate Change, the Re Rail Using the Existing Railway Structures, not only for for for Enhancing Connectivity, and and in Places, where in Railway was used for Industrial Zones, Renovating Them, for Social Makes Use.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:35:57
Project and bringing public Facilities with working with industry, it was heavily damaged, but it also at the same time opens the Possibility to create at and you enterprises in the thematic field and creating certain circular economy around there existing in industrial areas, and then you

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:36:00
Yeah

[Daria Borovyk] 12:36:26
Can see the Reds Circles to Develop and developing a multi-centric Polycentric City Right with where neighborhoods is Mixed Mixed Use and has its Own, Center and then it’s community Based

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:36:48
So here we try to summarize it, that the what we, what we do is basically we are not we are not saying, how how pity is the situation?

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:36:59
However we see it as an opportunity to unite, and we believe not only in asking for support, but we believe in suggesting an opportunity to cooperate and work, together, which for us, maybe it’s, a is the Project of the Lifetime within ukraine but we believe that There’s such

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:37:22
A huge level of flexibility within the country, considering the challenges and the ongoing problems that so many countries can learn all their innovation latest innovations.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:37:37
Whether they really work to the context or not. And this is definitely as I already said, an ideal storm.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:37:46
So what we do currently is we work forward on the specific tools.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:37:52
We presented with the local and External partners, and we can discuss that in our discussion, right right now and we as An ngo.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:38:03
We are in constant look, for partners for projects. And we are interested in you know, expanding the network of of Ukrainian, Urbanist, and face face Facing these Challenges, together basically, with our foreign Access because one of the one of the challenges, we have Right now is the

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:38:25
Absorption, Absorption Capacity of the Future Funds, which will come to the country and to have the right projects on the right Places with the right Personal not Only Conceptually, but but hands on so not to make it, too, long maybe I will Stuff here, and we are ready to share, as many details, as as

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:38:49
We can with you guys.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:38:51
Thanks Alex and Thanks very much. I’m in ask my colleagues, Bob and vote, and to come back on expose, their screens, through we will make that presentation available.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:39:00
So people can look at it. If you’re like me, you were squinting at your screen, trying to see all the specifics, and a couple of just very quick comments, first of all thank you for doing this I’ve got to say you know we’re so far away from this challenge you’re facing it’s kind

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:39:12
of miraculous to me that you’ve got the bandwidth to even be thinking about this just saying so we are with you as much as we can be in full of respect, that you’re actually having these conversations amongst you how many people do you think you’ve mo you’ve

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:39:26
mobilized to Restart Ukraine and because you said there I and I love that 9 step chart I want that for everything not just for what you’re doing but how many people do you think you’ve, touched so far who are, engaged any idea.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:39:38
I tried to count, but then I gave up I mean

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:39:41
Okay. Well, that’s a lot of people.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:39:44
Well, the the core team, at at the at the biggest, because like it is always related to the elevated available resources, so the core team at biggest was 20, people, I think, working simultaneously, right now, we we shrunk a bit having like more, like less part, time, more, full time, people, however, through our application forum on the on

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:39:56
Well.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:39:59
There.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:40:04
Good!

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:40:08
The website, we were able to mobilize, like 300 for the volunteers which just submitted their expertise, and from time to time we were like wondering them with emails or questions, or asking them to support Us, with contacts, or expertise which also happened my also going through this 9 time 9 months of

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:40:27
Of war, almost 10 months of work. I don’t really know what is the number of the Presentation.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:40:34
We are having today like what is the or order number like and and it’s not only me. It’s also calling, Stadia, and other colleagues going around basically going around the world and present, and Restart, your Green and today, was really a funny situation, where a Colleague, of mine Sent

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:40:35
Right.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:40:45
Sure.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:40:51
Me a Screenshot from an event saying. Oh, it’s not so nice to be in the in the panel discussion with you.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:40:58
And I was like, hey, could you please share, what what is the event?

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:41:01
Because I haven’t received the invitation. Yet I I didn’t receive the invitation yet.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:41:01
Okay, you didn’t know what it was.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:41:06
Okay.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:41:07
But like the the it’s amazing. How the word spreads around.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:41:10
Yes, and we’ll yes, yes, I hear. You.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:41:10
Despite the despite, we are very early in the progress

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:41:14
Well, and I’m sure that’ll just continue. You’re gonna have to manage your time on this.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:41:17
I I couple of things, one is that I feel feel the the what you’re embarking on here is such an extraordinary undertaking it’s not gonna happen fast.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:41:29
Obviously, so you need people that will stick with it, and be with you for a long period of time.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:41:33
And I have some exposure to what happens on a very much smaller scale when a city is completely devastated by something, you’ve now got it in multiple times and I used to talk about those cities as prophetic cities.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:41:45
And when I see your charts, and your maps I’m sure Vodan was a planner got excited like me.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:41:51
We’re all looking at the the tools that you’re bringing to bear.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:41:54
You have this extraordinary opportunity out of tragedy to rebuild in a different kind of way, and to make it even make that prophetic piece even stronger, and so as I suggested we’ll make sure that the slide deck is available to everybody and we’re also and we’ve created an email

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:42:08
Address at C Ui for people that want to stay close to this, conversation, as it evolves over time, but do you want to just quickly just tell people who you are, and and I know you’re a planner which is important, but just tell people quickly.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:42:21
Your engagement very quickly, and then we’ll ask some questions of Alex and Daria.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:42:24
Go ahead.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:42:25
Well, let me start off by saying what an honor it is to be invited to be on this panel.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:42:33
And I would like to express my extreme chess equival to Dary and Alexandra for for taking on this effort very noble effort, so I’m basically saying, complete Respect for the People in Ukraine who are Rebuilding right

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:42:56
Now and and are dealing with this stuff. So my story is my background I’m an urban planner.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:43:05
I’ve worked for over 30 years at various levels of government.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:43:09
I was moved in 2,005 with the orange revolution to volunteer and get involved in Ukraine, and I took part in various various projects over the the following 10 Years, mostly we focused on transferring Canadian Best Practices, and Municipal Government.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:43:33
Transparency, accountability, those sorts of things, strategic, Planning, transferring that knowledge to Ukraine which was at that time, evolving from a Soviet Model, and you know working directly with People, on the Ground and bringing in Experts as needed to to to assist in

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:43:57
Network today today’s needs are different. But also still, the same I mean, we’re still talking about building local municipal Capacity, even after this War, to do things, so so I don’t think that has changed but I from my Conversations, with people in you in cave

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:44:28
And and things like that right now in addition to the work, We’re doing are talking about

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:44:36
They were talking about can you connections, expertise and like post traumatic stress disorder, and helping helping Families deal with the War and and losses, and things like that.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:44:55
And I mean, that’s a completely different subject. But there’s some, as as was mentioned.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:45:01
Earlier, there’s so many dimensions, to this recovery, we we we we have to focus on the things that we we can contribute to

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:45:03
Yeah

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:45:10
Have aged Skill. Yeah, that we have any kind of engagement with so a couple more questions back to Alex and Daria, one would be you know, there are Canada.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:45:18
I think is the has, the largest. Expat population of Ukrainians living other than in Russia.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:45:23
I think, living around, not living in Ukraine but the other thing is I think, 70,000 Ukrainians have come temporarily here through this period, and you’ll notice on the Chat, many people.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:45:32
With Ukrainian, Heritage or background, are checking in so I appreciate that we also have parts of Canada, that have quite robust Ukrainian Neighborhoods so I’m I’m interested as you Embark on this thing and you, mentioned Alex the Absorbed of

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:45:47
Capacity, cause. You know that there will be resources that will start to come in what is your sense of the challenge to get people to come back, and engage with you have you.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:45:58
Started to think about that going forward, maybe Darw first, and then Alexander

[Daria Borovyk] 12:46:06
Alright, yeah, we started to think about it in a framework of restarts.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:46:13
Well.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:46:14
Also, and that is frankly, a very difficult question, because it is also very subjective.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:46:17
Yeah

[Daria Borovyk] 12:46:20
I mean most of the people want to be safe, to return.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:46:25
But safety. Is very subjective and then most of the things I heard among people.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:46:35
I talked to or as we had a survey for them, a reclaim, a cluster, say that Opportunities for well, Bomb shelters, first of all the opportunity for kids, to continuous studies, and of course job, Opportunities, those were among the Top Priorities, but safety, came first everywhere

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:46:56
Right.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:46:59
Right so and and so that’s a factor obviously, and if if you can’t in until people have a stronger, sense that they can be assured of their safety, that’s a big deterrent, to.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:47:00
Maybe would Look, good

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:47:11
Coming back right Alexander, go ahead. What would what would you add to that

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:47:15
Well, I will leave. I will link that to to a question.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:47:19
I also read in the chat about how do we actually motivate people to to to to come back.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:47:23
Hmm.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:47:24
And I think it’s it’s maybe the reactive end.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:47:27
Again. So it is, it would be repeating again the previous approach to kind of keep people inside the country, instead of creating a place where they would like to stay yes, exactly so

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:47:37
I have to leave right.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:47:41
So here with you, you are covering quite a big question.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:47:44
I may be able to stop on few sides of it. The first one is the capacity of the Professional Community, and Right.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:47:50
Right.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:47:51
Now we have temptation within our society. You know which which trajectory to follow in terms of the recovery, because the recovery there is no like one trajectory, you can go with so many different paths and it is up to you how to to define it and of course you, know

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:48:09
It’s it’s always temptating to me to to define it.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:48:12
More simplified, and then to to build as much as you would.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:48:18
Like. But if you think wisely, you need to consult a lot to make this participation, formats, and then a a proper project, might be even more difficult than and a simple one that’s that’s why we, are now working on a certain marketplace where we are able to link together, municipalities.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:48:40
Together with the Local Professional Capacity and also external task forces.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:48:42
Hmm.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:48:46
Because, we believe that we should not only wait for the for you know, for central government, to send us directions, with to do directives what to do and so and that actually gives the spirit of of this horizontal horizontal effective, movement which both Bob and Bogdan Mentioned, during the

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:49:09
Orange revolution and revolution of dignity, which creates tremendous change in Ukrainian society, and then well, and this is the result.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:49:19
Why people come back, and I also believe that maybe some people whose relatives, migrated from Ukraine to Canada will consider returning to Ukraine either for a while or for forever as a as a real Option and that would be kind of Success for us.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:49:38
That’s interesting that just to say again, back to I see a bottom I’m gonna come right to because I know that you’re dealing with your in touch with the Canadian Ukraine. Relationship.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:49:46
But I would just wanted to comment quickly, before I do that the the notion of horizontality, is something we talk about, too, even in a country like ours, that’s not afflicted with extraordinary, challenge, you’re Dealing with in terms of War we Still have Similar challenges to try to learn from each

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:50:01
Other at a horizontal level, and what is your expectation of the central, government, or not so?

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:50:05
I again, I’m always appreciative that we are listening to.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:50:09
What you are learning, and what you are, advancing as you recover.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:50:11
Go ahead. Bob, but were you going to suggest

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:50:11
Yeah. Well, I was I was going to answer your question and ask answer and add to the question today, answers given by by Alexander, and Daria, on the linkage thing and what can Canada and Ukraine do or to together.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:50:21
Okay.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:50:25
Yeah yeah

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:50:27
The Osborne here so your on our projects back into 25 to 2020, 10.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:50:34
We had a ton of Ukrainian planners, Canadian planners who are Ukrainian by background, who were helping on the Project and so when we did the Zaporisia Master plan which is similar to the Cheneyu plan and you guys, Should try to find It

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:50:52
Because it’s hidden somewhere in the files at the ministry of Economy and and the Transcarpathian Region those 2 Pilot, Plans which is just like your Pilot plan you know There’s There’s a Couple that We’re Done but Secondly, a lot, of our

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:51:09
Cities, in Canada, because of our Populations and where the Diaspora live, so Toronto is is twinned with Cave Winnipeg is twinned with review Edmonton is twinned with with I think Odessa and it.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:51:28
Goes on and on they’re about 8 or 9 or 10, Halifax is twinned with what desk.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:51:32
I’m sorry and I don’t remember who Edmonton is twinned with so, and for you, using Toronto as an example, the City Council of Toronto, and the Mayor of Toronto, are really following What’s happening, in Ukraine and really Wanted, to get involved except for the

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:51:48
Fact that we just had a municipal election cycle.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:51:52
So, but we’ve, but basically, the same there, you know.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:51:53
Oh, but, Bob, are you are you suggesting? We do have some infrastructure that we could be using better to facilitate this kind of professional chain. Go ahead, bone on your hand, is up

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:51:57
Absolutely absolutely yeah.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:52:04
I was just gonna add the Mayor, Toronto as Part Ukrainian, so so that helps no, I was just gonna say like I’ve, I’ve I’ve seen a tremendous out porting Not Just from the Ukrainian.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:52:07
There, you go.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:52:16
The Osborne which is of course, very engaged.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:52:19
But from non Ukrainians wanting to help and and wanting to know how to channel, their health, and this includes professionals.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:52:30
So I I think you know, we need to take advantage of this this opportunity.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:52:35
And

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:52:37
Well, and I, you, know, my concern, I, remember again, in my very brief experiences with these where Outsiders can come in and and offer very bad advice.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:52:44
So not saying you ever would vote in, or Bob, but you know what I’m getting at.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:52:48
We have a long habit, which is a colonial pattern.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:52:50
Sadly, of doing, this kind of thing, and so I’m always allergic, to that so I may just to Doary On Alexander, how do you how how do you make sure that this, is a Ukrainian, lead in ukrainian generated recovery in the city that you want and that the people of

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:53:04
Ukraine want

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:53:12
Go ahead. I don’t know. I wanna hear from them. Bob.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:53:13
Well, let me ask. Let me ask another question, which is oh, yeah, yeah, no. No.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:53:17
But I’m trying to help him in this regard. Are you connected?

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:53:20
How are you related, or do you collaborate with your Federal government, with your central government?

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:53:26
Let’s let’s ask it. Let’s ask it different

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:53:27
That’s that’s where we are smiling

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:53:29
Yes, so go ahead. Alexander

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:53:32
No maybe just gifts you know the honest answer, that not everything, is as perfect, as we would wish to and

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:53:41
The the thing which I related to about making things easier is is often related to you know, big business involved and the development involved and definitely when you hear such numbers, as billions of dollars then you immediately as a Businessman try to calculate whether there, is a market for you or not well, and then it some

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:54:09
Somehow, pushes to the to the Backstage Other actors, which do not really have a monetary.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:54:17
You know effect to this recovery, because Ukraine lost quite a big number of not only people, but also, the GDP this year.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:54:25
So the the economic recovery is a very big focus. But on on which, like short term recovery, on which, on which, on which sake and which, price for the future is is is a question so right now there, is a a certain clash between the central government and the municipalities, in terms of

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:54:46
Adaptation of the New Law, Which Pushes Us in my being a slightly to the best trajectory empowering developers, and actually, discourage in local Municipalities.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:54:58
And I see the question about the decentralization, reform in the Municipalities, how they plan their recovery.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:55:03
It’s it’s a young process, and it was supposed to be finished after 2,022.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:55:10
It was supposed to be like finishing right? Now, so the legal big legal basis for this development, is complex development plan for the Municipality right now is related to the Recovery as a.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:55:24
Complex Recovery, plan for some of the municipalities, where restarts tries to tries to plug in as an Informal instrument for them to make it Easier or Sound more Holistic so we believe that our first attempt which was not very good, connecting to the Ministries into

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:55:43
The government is only the first attempt, and right. Now we’re in a tight cooperation with the Municipalities to show and to prove like, what are the Innovation and piloting we can do.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:55:54
And show the result, no longer the ideas, you know, because at the at the beginning, of the war.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:55:59
So many people had ideas like the the field was blooming.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:56:04
Every second person has an idea how to recover Ukraine, But Officer, some time, you know, you have less voices on that and we try to stay in a very good and Tight Contact with the international and people.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:56:17
Who basically pay for the recovery and stay with in touch with them, not, you know, to to make a shortcut, but to make sure, that we like the Ukrainian Recovery Includes, to the dialect, not only the Ukrainian Government but your Creation, Ukrainian Professional community.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 12:56:37
Civic Society, and the Municipalities as well to make it balanced thatia I will, I I think you, would like also to add something here

[Daria Borovyk] 12:56:46
I think it was very comprehensive answer. Maybe just one thing.

[Daria Borovyk] 12:56:52
You mentioned Mary, that we we are kind of already also allergic to to hear all all this stuff, star architects, one thing, to do something and you without ever being there without ever Hearing, of Ukraine Involving, Anybody, any Ukraine, on the ground and I think our very Existence, is

[Daria Borovyk] 12:57:12
About being ready to withhold all the resource which will come and try to navigate the through, it and give it the right path as local, community, Professional

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:57:27
Right, right? Right? Right?

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:57:27
So that you so that you, can stay, in the Driver’s, seat, that you know Jane Jacobs, warns in death in life of great American City she, warns, about Cataclysmic money and any any Jurisdiction, that gets devastated the way, yours, is is going to be on the receiving.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:57:43
End of Cataclysmic Money and how do you stay and how do we as as allies with you find ways to bolster your capacity to be the for your own self determination, that’s, fundamental, I know too, the Ukraine, Ethos in Recovery well I’ll just See, if if either

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:57:54
Right.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:58:00
But honorable have last comments in terms of thoughts about how people that are listening in here can be continue to educate themselves, and be supportive of what are you Ukrainian colleagues are embarking on first to you but and then Bob then i’m going to ask Alex and

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:58:14
Daria, for last words from them so briefly, but on you first

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:58:18
You’re muted, but in

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:58:26
Okay, there we go, so based on, my experience, We have to listen closely to what the needs are expressed needs of Ukrainians, we have to then align that up with government.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:58:44
Objectives, and priorities. So for example, in our projects we we always had gender equality, like built into the to the Application.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:58:56
So there are lots of opportunities for partnerships.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:59:00
We, just they have to listen to what the Ukrainians need, and respond accordingly, and then also match that up with sort of funding requirements on our end.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:59:13
So I think that’s that’s the big challenge

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:59:15
I hear you and how we’re gonna sort of dubtail, all that go to you up next to you, Bob Quickly. What would you say

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:59:20
Well, just very quickly, the participation of the local municipal, local, citizenry, in any city or city, region, or town, was at central point in the thing that we did, for the governance, Models back in 2,000, and 5 2,010 as as it needs to be as you know, and as of

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 12:59:34
Yeah

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:59:41
Course Alexander and Daria say so that that is important.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:59:46
That’s very important. But the second thing, I’d say, is

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 12:59:47
Okay.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:59:50
We didn’t have There was a great First Deputy Deputy Minister of Regional Economic Development.

[Bob Onyschuk] 12:59:57
His name was said he Ramanuk you guys should look him up and he should be brought back.

[Bob Onyschuk] 13:00:03
He worked with the Local, administrations, the city mayors are the City Councils, the administrators at the Regional, Level, the Region at the City, Level, Right, across the Country, when we were Involved which is Part of the Involvement you know yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 13:00:17
So there’s so there’s some good experience.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 13:00:20
There if we can find that person.

[Daria Borovyk] 13:00:28
I think, I will have

[Daria Borovyk] 13:00:33
Appreciate, but Booked on this Thing and about the professional Community, What’s going on. And we in turn are trying to listen to Local, communities on the Ground and not only Implementing our Ideas, what is best, but Listening to what are the Ideas, of people because otherwise We Don’t Build Anything Meaningful, for the Communities

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 13:00:51
Nice listen to the community, absolutely. Alexander, last word to you.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 13:01:01
Yeah, a few points. First, subscribe to our news challenge channels.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 13:01:04
Which is linkedin and it’s Instagram and Facebook, I bet then you can get updates, then gate posted the our website.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 13:01:14
And you can find much more information, and much bigger presentations and all the Details and blocks and really interesting stuff there, this and this is number 2, number 3 yes, definitely, we need support and it’s not only financial support to our Account, but It’s.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 13:01:32
More about answering the question express your needs. We need sometimes clever people to sit and think together.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 13:01:38
For then to say, like, okay, we need their bucket list.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 13:01:41
And from that we believe that more things can can can be bored.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 13:01:47
Like yesterday was to happen to this to smart Ctl, Lab and while visiting talking to them, we we had some few ideas, and this is some kind of process. I believe.

[Alexander Shevchenko] 13:01:57
We should nourish

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 13:01:58
Absolutely well, thank you, and you’re helping nourish us.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 13:02:01
So thank you for taking this time to give us a little glimpse into terms of what this as was suggested, the noble pursuit that you’re on so Daria and Alexander thank you so much for coming and giving us, a bit of a Taste of it and we’re going to continue to stay in touch with you as

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 13:02:13
I’ve Suggested, and continue to find ways for us to not just educate ourselves, but to be in some way, supportive and and we hope flanking you with what you’re embarking, on Bowdan, and bob, nice, to see you guys and thanks for just putting a little institutional history, in

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 13:02:29
There see us, as I said, we’re in the city building a connected tissue business, and this is part of our obligation to each other is that we learn from each other, and try to build cities, that work, for everyone so thanks everybody, happy holidays, if you’re observing some kind of

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 13:02:42
A holiday, or whatever, it is that allows you to take a bit of breastfeed and break.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 13:02:46
I hope that everyone here on this call and everyone listening gets a chance next week.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 13:02:49
We’ll send a newsletter out with highlights from probably 1,000, and then believe it or not.

[Mary W Rowe, she/her, CUI/IUC] 13:02:53
We’ll be into the next 1,000 days. So thanks, everybody really great to meet you, too, And Restart, you lighted, the the links, are all in the Chat, Thanks, everybody

[Alexander Shevchenko] 13:02:57
Thank you so much for having us

[Daria Borovyk] 13:02:59
Thank you.

[Bohdan Wynnycky] 13:03:04
Thank you.

 

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How important would joining the EU be in a rebuilding effort? Would it be like East Germany?
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How important would joining the EU be in a rebuilding effort? Would it be like East Germany?
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You mentioned people being the power and critical in the recovery efforts you are envisioning, what can the Ukrainian government do to incentivize people to return back to Ukraine (those who are currently spread throughout Europe) or those who fled to other oblasts.
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I wonder if building cities up with communities in mind might address post traumatic issues as well as unite the community improving capacity where family members might be missing etc. A sustainable and accessible co-up housing model of sorts?
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My grandparents, and your great grandparents, were faced with a similar effort in 1945…but at least everyone knew that the war was over. Now, with the high level of current unpredictability for the future, how do you decide when it is safe to start the next phase of recovery?
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Дякую (Djákuju) Thank-you for your insights. They add several dimensions that I hadn’t thought about.

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And for Bob & Bohdan – does Canada plan to continue playing a role in Ukraine’s decentralization process and specifically urban planning?
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Vancouver and Odessa have been sister cities since 1944.
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And for Bob & Bohdan – does Canada plan to continue playing a role in Ukraine’s decentralization process and specifically urban planning?
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anyone have any insight into structuring a recovery economy? presumably millions of people will need to be put to work rebuilding.
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Hi there, I am a Research Scientist at the Dept. of Geography & Spatial Planning, and I supervise a post-doc project looking at reconstruction in in Kyiv and the role of the digital economy RE-DIGICITY. (We should get in touch because there is a lot in common!!! Thank you for this presentation!!).

Question: Something we struggle with is the continual shifting of actors and institutions in Kyiv that is one of the effects of the war. It is extremely difficult to identify actors in charge, let alone identify a trajectory of recovery. How do you deal with this? Or, how do you expect this will change in the future?
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thank you also, Mary!
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Thank you for the insightful presentation and discussion!